Choosing statism's central planning over capitalism's free market will not bring peace, love, and prosperity; it will bring the dogs of war, and with them, mass slaughter--as in what we soon may be witnessing in Hong Kong, i.e., one controlled economy seeking to plunder a free market economy in the name of Nationalism., and threating to crush any opposition. Sound familiar? A lot like Trump? Oh, indeed it does. One nation, one religion, one economy, one way, Trumps, as in, I live up to my name and I trump everything, including a free monetary system, a free press, the right to speak, the right to immigrate, the right to buy unrestricted goods, the right to do anything except what I ordain as right. No thanks.
Ah yes, the cult of the victimized super wealthy having their privileges stolen by the state. The very same state they need to uphold their privileges.... like a circle of hurt very feelings......What can we do to make it up to the super wealthy capitalists for all the wrong we've done them????? Play the circle game of logic?? Round and round we go: But there are those make believe capitalists, like Trump, who are. You mean they need a government to protect their privileged position and property rights by force......
Just that which they own. (BTW: It's not the rich they, the pull peddlers, want, specifically--they are used as examples--it's the masses whose asses they want to control.) From Hank Reardon's trial: "Listen, Mr. Rearden," said a man who looked like a factory worker, "it's the rich who're selling us down the river. Tell those wealthy bastards, who're so anxious to give everything away, that when they give away their palaces, they're giving away the skin off our backs." "I know it," said Rearden. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926478/posts If the rich have no right to their wealth, what makes you think you're safe? Faith in a belief you will always be part of the majority, the tribe of the moment? And logic is never circular, it's always toward its inevitability.
I'm not going to respond the the Rand reference as bad science fiction is not really my forte. I don't have any illusion that I am safe. When the fascism we are seeing slowly arise from the ashes of democracy finally finds the tinder to start it's fire, I have no doubt that people like me will be doomed. Even in my country the forces of destruction are surely stirring in the forests. As Chris Hedges says, " I don't fight fascists because I think I will win. I fight fascists because they are fascists."
The problem with Hong Kong is china which does not honor civil liberties And irs the same problem we will face as china grows stronger
And idea is true or false based on reality, no matter the genre, the writer, the language, or the refusal to see. If the rich have no right to their wealth, then no one has a right to anything except that which the state throws to them as dog bones, bribes, and extortion. And yet you hate the rich to point of violating the principle of individual rights. There are those whose goal in life is to reach as high as they can reach, then there are the masses who'd rather live for today then build a tomorrow. Which one are you? I don't necessarily fight against anything, as much as I fight for something, I fight for the good, as in "...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"-- as in, that which is about to be slaughtered in Hong Kong.
The answer is not more American Nationalism, it's LaissezFaire Capitalism. Which is what the youthful idealists in Hong Kong are fighting for, in a very broad sense, though I doubt they realize it.
Rand is simply going where Nietzsche led if Nietzsche was a really bad writer and was not trying to warn as much as propose. It's fascism. I saw your post above. The protesters in HK are not protesting for laissez-faire capitalism. That leads to fascism. One only has to look back and see all the capitalists from Prescott Bush to Henry Ford who helped finance the Nazi death machine in the hopes it would destroy the Soviet Union for them. The protesters in HK are fighting for democracy. There is a difference.
Sorry for the typo. I'm on a phone. Of course you were saying they were protesting for LF Capitalism.
Hmm? Let's see, I believe I did question if they really understood what ideological foundations are needed to guide a successful revolution into a free nation, but none-the-less support their resistance to tyranny. Additionally, as stated many times, democracy is the road to tyranny and is a political system of mob rule, where the rights of the individual are sacrificed to whomever the majority is at the moment. Furthermore, I agree that they are protesting under the delusion, as you are, that democracy equals liberty. It does not. A political system based on Individual Rights is the only protector of the rights of the individual. And lastly, if words have meaning, and reality is real, and concepts aren't delusions of grandeur, then it is impossible for a Capitalistic system to be Fascist, if it's Fascism, it isn't Capitalism; if its Capitalism, it isn't Fascism. Laizzie Faire Capitalism ..."is an economic system in which transactions between private parties are free from any form of government intervention such as regulation, privileges, imperialism, tariffs and subsidies. Proponents of laissez faire argue for a complete separation of government from the economic sector.[1] The phrase laissez-faire is part of a larger French phrase and literally translates to "let (it/them) do", but in this context usually means "let go".[2] Laissez faire capitalism started being practiced in the mid 18th century, and was further popularized by Adam Smith's book, 'Wealth of Nations."--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire Socialism Communism, state ownership of the economy. Fascism, state control of the economy Capitalism, Private control of the economy Ayn Rand on Socialism: "The essential characteristic of socialism is the denial of individual property rights; under socialism, the right to property (which is the right of use and disposal) is vested in “society as a whole,” i.e., in the collective, with production and distribution controlled by the state, i.e., by the government. Socialism may be established by force, as in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics—or by vote, as in Nazi (National Socialist) Germany. The degree of socialization may be total, as in Russia—or partial, as in England. Theoretically, the differences are superficial; practically, they are only a matter of time. The basic principle, in all cases, is the same."--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/socialism.html Ayn Rand on Fascism: "The dictionary definition of fascism is: “a governmental system with strong centralized power, permitting no opposition or criticism, controlling all affairs of the nation (industrial, commercial, etc.), emphasizing an aggressive nationalism . . .” [The American College Dictionary, New York: Random House, 1957.] Under fascism, citizens retain the responsibilities of owning property, without freedom to act and without any of the advantages of ownership. Under socialism, government officials acquire all the advantages of ownership, without any of the responsibilities, since they do not hold title to the property, but merely the right to use it—at least until the next purge. In either case, the government officials hold the economic, political and legal power of life or death over the citizens."--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/fascism-nazism.html Ayn Rand on Capitalism: "Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned "http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/capitalism.html Now, perhaps you can explain to me how under a capitalist system, in which the government is commaned to protect the rights of men to trade freely, you get to fascism? Again: Under Socialism, the state owns everything, including your soul. Under Fascism, the state controls everything, including your soul. Under Capitalism the state is tasked to protect your rights as a free soul, and is subordinated to protect those rights. It's not Socialism and Fascism vs Democracy; it's Collectivism vs Individualism, or tyranny vs liberty. It won't budge you because your a tribal collectivist yourself, but truth is truth no matter how many times someone tells you differently. I am a free soul. What is mine is mine. And not one single soul, or tribe, or clan, or gang, nor majority can claim a right to one second of my life and claim to be moral. I am not a slave to anyone for any reason. A free soul's life is their's to live, not God's to command, not society's to control, not the state's to own, and not my neighbor's to loot. In Hong Kong, we are seeing this attitude played out on the world stage, the tyrants won't flinch, they'll slaughter. Those who value their lives, their property, and their liberty had best leave now. The window of opportunity is closing, fast. With regards to Henry Ford, whatever sins he committed, real and imaginary, his virtues far outweighed them. He's a bit like the Silicon Valley Progressive Liberals--sometimes sadly mistaken about what is in their own best interest.
With Limited Government and Private property rights it most certainly does not! Overseas clashes erupt between pro-Hong Kong and pro-Beijing Chinese expats What about the mainland-controlled Confucius Institutes on American campuses? Or Hollywood? The Australian Broadcasting Corporation: The difference of opinions have sparked disputes at half a dozen campuses including the University of New South Wales, Australian National University, University of Tasmania and Monash University with more demonstrations planned in Sydney and Melbourne next week. Pro-Beijing residents in Sydney and Melbourne also announced their plans yesterday to protest against the "riots" in Hong Kong in their respective CBDs on Saturday, August 17. It is already evening of the 17th down under, and we have this paywalled report from the Herald Sun of Melbourne: Rival protesters clashed in Melbourne's CBD last night as hundreds gathered in support of action in Hong Kong. Police were forced to form a wall between pro-Hong Kong and pro-Chinese activists after up to 1000 people gathered outside the State Library on Swanston St. Protesters could be seen pushing and shoving each other before officers intervened to separate the groups. Pro-democracy advocates chanted "Free Hong Kong" as they gathered on the steps of the library, carrying signs pledging "solidarity with Hong Kong". They also held yellow umbrellas, a symbol of resistance that echoes back to the 2014 Hong Kong protests, and the words "Free Hong Kong" were projected on to the walls of the library. Pro-Chinese protesters waved Chinese flags and chanted. Are the mainland-controlled Confucius Institutes on American campuses urging pro-Beijing students to stay quiet in order to quell further criticism? I am puzzled as to why Australia has had multiple incidents while I have seen no news of the same phenomenon here. China is very sensitive to overseas reactions to its moves and to the opinions of overseas Chinese. The original Chinese Revolution of Sun Yat-sen was nurtured among overseas Chinese residents.
Completely cut 100% trade with China. We don't need them Period, then watch their economy crumble as their citizens lose the little they had. I am sick of China and no longer respect them as a nation after the nonsense I have heard from Chinese citizens online. These people are flat out evil by our standards and I actually own a manufacturing company in Malaysia. The Malays hate them too btw ... Everyone should end trade with China, put them in a box until they actually join the world trade stage. The way in which they cheat and steal from other nations has to stop now.
So you want to start a war that will likely kill tens of millions to hundreds of millions and will cost tens of trillions of dollars so that a few million people can have more rights?
Nope. I want to end a war on liberty, and save the rights of the one, the individual. For if the rights of one are violated, then none have rights.
if you really care about human right, then cut off tie with saudi and countries in middles 1st. malays is very friendly with china, you sure you know mala? they are the 1st support huawei after the ban. malay has alot ethnic chinese.
dont need to argue with him, the guy is self absorb into his idealism, claim even if protester beat and kill someone is fine as long as they are pro-democratic.
Silly Child, don't you know, tricks are for rabbits. In the same way Ebola is threat when a guy in Zimbabwe dies of it. And one would be wise to use any rational means to stop it there. Same for tyranny. It not America risking war with China, it's China risking war with America. After Ayn Rand, it's no longer “Better Red than Dead”it’s “Better the Red Dead.” Ayn Rand: “Tyranny is any political system (whether absolute monarchy or fascism or communism) that does not recognize individual rights (which necessarily include property rights). The overthrow of a political system by force is justified only when it is directed against tyranny: it is an act of self-defense against those who rule by force. For example, the American Revolution. The resort to force, not in defense, but in violation, of individual rights, can have no moral justification; it is not a revolution, but gang warfare.”—http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/revolution_vs_putsch.html
Well, only if their pro-CPC. Additionally, it’s more likely a CPC agent causing the mayhem and murder, than a revolutionary fighting for liberty. Fascists and Communists secret police are notorious for their subterfuges, infiltrations, deceptions, abductions, lies, murders, and all round horrible, evil blood-soaked deeds. Ask Kira Argounova, She knows. Or Sasha and Irina. They'll tell you all about it looking at the moon as they ride Siberian Express.
Reallly?Here’s a truth that totalitarian supporters want to wish away. “Probably the worst public-relations disaster for the police came on 21 July, when they were nowhere to be seen as triad-connected gangs of men, dressed in white, waited for protesters at Yuen Long train station and proceeded to assault them with home-made weapons. Passers-by were also caught up in the attacks.”—https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-49380531 Honest minds know the source of violent attacks.
Do hou think the chinese practice laissez fair capitalism? If so you are in for a big shock Everything they do is centrally planned
