Why do NeoAtheists deny the practice of atheism is a religion?<<MOD WARNING>>

nope just the wackydoodle misguided theories you post.
so travel forward in time and let me know who is going to win the next superbowl!
better yet tell me where I can buy the next megamillion dollar lottery ticket

 

So you acknowledge that you haven’t disproven all of physics, and that time dilation is a demonstrable fact of science?

 

yard meat said time compresses, it does not.
time does not dilate, your perception of time dilates
einee weenee simply used lorentz absolutivity for his relative metaphysics

how you doing on that lottery ticket? Superbowl scores?

 

So now we are back to you thinking you’ve disproved all of physics

 

Still denying physics I see. Let us know when you get the Nobel Prize. If you actually had any evidence of your claims (which you have refused to elucidate every time you've been asked) you would revolutionize all of modern physics. Math and observation say you are wrong. Not sure why you feel the need to hang onto such dead theories. Lorentz is not "absolutivity" of time. Lorentz is the ratio of two different time measurements. Maybe it would help if you realized schoolyard name calling isn't a substitute for reason or science.

 

I didn't realize you were a crackpot when it came to physics. Tesla disliking Einstein's theory is no proof of its wrongness. Einstein disliked the double slit experiment, but that didn't disprove it, either. Newton believed in alchemy and astrology. Both were wrong.

Mass is unalterable at normal human speeds. But at the dizzying speeds near the speed of light, things get wonky.

"In other words, the faster an object moves, the greater its mass. This only becomes noticeable when an object moves really quickly. If it moves at 10 percent the speed of light, for example, its mass will only be 0.5 percent more than normal. But if it moves at 90 percent the speed of light, its mass will double.

As an object approaches the speed of light, its mass rises precipitously. If an object tries to travel 186,000 miles per second, its mass becomes infinite, and so does the energy required to move it. For this reason, no normal object can travel as fast or faster than the speed of light."

https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/what-if/what-if-faster-than-speed-of-light.htm

Note that 10% of the speed of light is 18,600 miles per second, far faster than even our fastest space-exploring satellites can yet attain, currently about 90K miles per hour, or just 25 miles per second.

 

Nice so then a photon has or should have infinite mass since it is a particle! Likewise with tachyons etc

What everyone here ignores is the magic words used to describe this effect.




everyone forgets to read the fine print

From the local frame of reference of the blue clock, the red clock, being in motion, is perceived as ticking slower[10]

 

Except that photons are not particles. They are "packages" of wave energy. They have zero mass and always travel at the speed of light. Tachyons are hypothetical subatomic particles that travel faster than the speed of light, but have not been shown to exist. "No experimental evidence for the existence of such particles has been found." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon

Meanwhile, relativity has been shown to be accurate without the use of timekeeping, by measuring the perturbation of Mercury.

"It wasn't too long after Newton published his laws of motion that people noticed something was off about them. To be specific, they were off by the orbit of an entire planet. And they remained off until Einstein, and general relativity, explained why Mercury moves the way it does."

"The precession of the orbits is accounted for by Newton's laws of motion. As astronomers charted the progress of the planets, they conformed agreeably to predictions based on those laws of motion. All except one. Mercury's orbit made its round faster than predicted. It didn't race ahead. The precession was 93 percent accounted for, but no one could adequately explain that last seven percent."

"Einstein eventually revealed that they should have been looking at space itself. In his theory of general relativity, Einstein showed that mass warps space. This warping didn't noticeably affect planets far from the sun, but Mercury was so close that its strange precession was visible as soon as people started paying close attention."

"We saw Mercury makings its rounds around the sun, quickly and sharply, without knowing the reason why. And although we still can't see the curve of the universe, we do now know that it's there."

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-200-year-old-mystery-of-mercurys-orbit-solved-1458642219

 

mass does not warp space, it has a field around it that attracts other mass which also has a field around it, space is just space, time is just time, relativity is just a model that fails when dealing with particles that can travel as fast or faster than light. since mass and energy are the same we can say a rock is mega quantum energy packets!

 

Particle physicists use the time dilation formula every day. There isn't a single particle physicist in the world who agrees with you on this.

 

well lets see what you got.
if mass increases to infinity as you reach the speed of light what is the donor for this 'infinitely increasing' mass? Does it make that giant sucking sound like jobs going to mexico?

 

you are correct of course that the faster anything moves against any form of resistance the greater the 'force' is needed to sustain the increased speed. All you have is a time model that lorentz transform already covered.

Needless to say my physics profs loved me. I told them that at light speed velocities mama and papa mass multiplied like rabbits and had 'masses' of baby mass, hence increasing till infinity. Can you imagine the fun I had and still have with this?

There is no get out of jail free card with that everyone takes their bat and goes home.

Just sayin

 

I'm sorry, but you're just wrong on this. Einstein nailed it and we have plenty of proof of it. Space is not just space, time is not just time, and relativity is not just a model. The universe works the way Einstein said it did. Are you familiar with gravitational lensing? That's when a black hole bends the light of a star behind it so that you see more than one image of that star. We have discovered several examples, including one that almost forms a ring. Relativity predicted that would happen. A black hole is so heavy and so dense that it bends light itself. No amount of Newtonian physics can explain that since light has no mass. Relativity can because black holes curve space.

 

Delbrück scattering

 

how does a physical element in nature act upon an abstract contrivance (something that exists only in your imagination) to cause it to curve

 

Turns out it's not an abstract contrivance, but an actual thing, four dimensional space-time. I've used this analogy before, but it bears repeating. We're living in three dimensional space moving through a fourth dimension we call time. But time isn't an imaginary construct but an actual fourth spatial dimension we're passing through. If you imagine a 2D character on a sheet of paper being carried forward through the third dimension of space at a steady clip, the 2D character would experience the third dimension as time. In the same way, we as 3D characters are moving through the fourth dimension at a steady clip, so we call that time. An outside observer would see us at every point in our lives, from birth to death, as fixed in space-time. We'd be nothing more than a very complicated function in 4D space. A black hole is a literal hole in 3D space, and just like the drain in your sink, the edges of the hole are curved downwards. Anything caught in the hole gets sucked down into it. Anything too near it gets deflected from its straight path, including light. Now here's the interesting result: to an outside observer, light isn't moving. It's fixed in space-time just like everything else. At point (x, y, z, t), there either is or isn't a spot of light. And that will not change because (x, y, z, t) defines each and every spot in space-time. (Black holes are still complications we don't quite understand.)

Perhaps your problem is you haven't yet learned to think in non-Euclidean terms. Euclid defined most of our basic mathematical models, and we pretty much learn to think of math in the way that Euclid told us to, including flat two dimensional grids with an x-axis and a y-axis. Later we added a z-axis to make three dimensions, and if you're inclined to think of it this way, you can add a t-axis to represent the fourth dimension of time. That's great, but there's a fundamental flaw, and that is that Euclid doesn't represent real space. When the early mathematicians tried to apply Euclid's laws to the earth, they found that they didn't work, and the reason for that is that the earth's surface is curved, so a later, non-Euclidean version of mathematics had to be created. Most students never get to that point in their math studies. It turns out that non-Euclidean geography turns the Euclidean principles on their head, like parallel lines do meet eventually, but non-Euclidean geography has its own internal order and consistency that makes it work. And it turns out that space-time, like the surface of the earth, is curved. It follows the principles of non-Euclidean geography, not Euclidean ones. When you try to measure space using Euclidean geography, it doesn't work. But if you measure space-time with non-Euclidean geography, it works. Example: What do the internal angles of a triangle add up to?

 

Come on, there is no mystery here, no great discovery, zippo.




The sum of the angles of a spherical triangle is between and radians ( and ; Zwillinger 1995, p. 469).

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SphericalTriangle.html

Zwillinger, D. (Ed.). "Spherical Geometry and Trigonometry." §6.4 in CRC Standard Mathematical Tables and Formulae. Boca Raton, FL: CRC Press, pp. 468-471, 1995.

 

I have been putting this **** off because I knew Id have to look **** up to make the point, so here it is:

A temporal dimension is a dimension of time. ... A temporal dimension is one way to measure physical change. It is perceived differently from the three spatial dimensions in that there is only one of it, and that we cannot move freely in time but subjectively move in one direction.
Dimension - Wikipedia

Time is temporal, not spatial.

I really dont want to continue with this but yardmeat kept dragging it on, I stand by what I said, time does not compress or expand, that is 100% unadulterated bullshit, you cannot travel backward or forward in time, you do not need relativity, only lorentz to figure it out, it is observer metaphysics (perception) you are dealing with not physics as tesla succinctly pointed out

more:

A special case used in general relativity is a four-dimensional Lorentzian manifold for modeling spacetime, where tangent vectors can be classified as timelike, null, and spacelike.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo-Riemannian_manifold

the problem is that they teach einee weenees **** as fact not a mere model

 

as you should be

Only dead to einee worshipers. geniuses laugh at einee's crap.

The Truth about Einstein, Relativity, and 20'th Century Magic Physics

Ron Hatch (who holds most of the meaningful patents for GPS) describes relativity is a bunch of bullshit, noting that GPS works entirely on Newtonian physics and could not be made to work on Einsteinian/relativistic physics.

“I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it has no properties.” Nikola Tesla
https://steemit.com/steemstem/@gung...in-relativity-and-20-th-century-magic-physics


Ron Hatch passed away on September 25, 2019, while serving his fifth term as a member of the National Space-Based PNT Advisory Board.

Throughout his more than 50 year career in satellite navigation systems with Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory and companies such as Boeing and Magnavox, Hatch was noted for his innovative algorithm design for Satellite Navigation Systems. He consulted for a number of companies and government agencies developing dual-frequency carrier-phase algorithms for landing aircraft, multipath mitigation techniques, carrier phase measurements for real time differential navigation at the centimeter level, algorithms and specifications for Local Area Augmentation System, high-performance GPS and communication receivers, and Kinematic DGPS. In addition to the Hatch-Filter Technique, Hatch obtained numerous patents and wrote many technical papers involving innovative techniques for navigation and surveying using the TRANSIT and GPS navigation satellites.

He also authored "Escape From Einstein" and published multiple papers in which he challenged current relativity theory.


In 1994, Hatch received the Johannes Kepler Award from the Institute of Navigation (ION) for sustained and significant contributions to satellite navigation. In 2000 he received the Thomas L. Thurlow Award and was elected a Fellow of the ION. He also served the ION as both the Chair of the Satellite Division and as President. https://www.gps.gov/governance/advisory/members/hatch/

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The only thing holding einee weenie together is political support.

 

Of course, because GPS satellites are very close to this planet. You apply relativity when you come to interstellar travel.

Just because Tesla was big in electricity doesn’t mean he knew sh!t about outer space.

He was just an idiot.

 

well you are going to need to argue that with willreadmore because he said:

which means he is applying relativity very close to the planet, you both cant be right at the same time.

Thank you for informing us that relativity applies only "to interstellar travel".
Thats good to know, how come? They never taught me that in school?
Have you done much interstellar traveling lately?
Oh, btw, do you lack belief?

 

you use relativity in very long distances.
Satellites are too close.
You quote someone who doesn’t understand the concept.

 

And it looks like your source is full of sh!t:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Drop on your knees and praise Wikipedia and your god for making it available to you! Instead of quoting “Will Readmores” you should probably read up on some real stuff and Wikipedia was created by your god to challenge your little brain if you are willing to lay down that bible and read something real.

 

Since you claim to understand explain:

1) How come relativity only applies to interstellar travel?

2) Why do you believe such nonsense?

3) I assume you simply made that garbage science[fiction] up?

4)....and is your interstellar travel forward or backward in time?

Thanks for proving you did not understand so much as one word of his material which has totally debunked relativity.

 

The only question worth answering ,is the first.
Relativity applies everywhere. It’s only more apparent when distances are greater. That’s why it’s hard to measure and observe here on earth. Think of the sights on a firearm.
It looks as though they are nearly exact from the shooters vantage. Yet when fired, it could be off several feet down range. Distance and increased time makes observations more reliable and observable in this respect.