Portland protests Aug. 17: What you need to know

Thats a coping mechanism of the left-when they can't deny it any longer-it becomes a conspiracy.

And then they move on.

 

Yes, the SPLC, another murderous Left Wing Hate Group.

USA TODAY: The Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate-based scam that nearly caused me to be murdered.

I’ll never forget the moment I learned we were on lockdown. It was Aug.15, 2012. My frustration mingled with fear. Trapped on the sixth floor, we knew someone had been shot. We knew we couldn’t leave yet. We knew little else.

While I was missing lunch, a crime scene played out in the office lobby below me. My coworker and friend Leo wasn’t armed, but he’d played the quick-thinking and inadvertent hero, disarming a young man on a mission to kill me and as many of my colleagues as possible. The gunman had packed his backpack with ammo and 15 Chick-fil-A sandwiches — later admitting that he’d planned to smear them on our lifeless faces as a political statement. Leo took a bullet in the arm but managed to disarm and hold the attacker until law enforcement arrived.

I wrote and edited for the Family Research Council, a public advocacy organization that promoted the principles I’d cared about since childhood: protecting the family, promoting the dignity of every human life and advocating for religious liberty. It reads like a tagline, but it’s also just what I believed and the way I chose to match my career with my convictions.

I never expected that everyone would celebrate or share my beliefs. But I did expect to be able to discuss and debate these differences without becoming a political target in an act of terrorism, the first conviction under Washington, D.C.’s 2002 Anti-Terrorism Act.

The Southern Poverty Law Center labeled us a "hate group"

It was the type of violent incident that one could expect a group that purportedly monitors “hate,” like the Southern Poverty Law Center, to notice, research, and decry. In fact, we were on the center’s radar but for all the wrong reasons. The assailant acknowledged later in FBI testimony that he had selected our office precisely because the SPLC had labeled my employer a “hate group.”

It’s always been easier to smear people rather than wrestle with their ideas. It’s a bully who calls names and spreads lies rather than thoroughly reading a brief’s legal arguments or challenging the rationale underlying a policy proposal. The SPLC has chosen to take the easy path — to intimidate and mislead for raw political power and financial benefit.​

 

Judging from the video US Conservative kindly submitted, the Proud Boys seem to have the right strategy. Another is for hundreds, or thousands, of good people to attend and outnumber groups like Antifa - swarm and separate them from each other without any violence occurring,

 

It's not just 'people' who are attacking public property, chanting death to cops or beating up on the defenseless. It's specific groups.

 

Get out? How? Of what? Explain please.

 

These groups (CAIR is another) always pick names which sound positive and non-threatening but their intentions, as we should have learned through the past century, are quite different.

 

It isn't that the Proud Boys are racist. If you check their website, they aren't in any way. But they are pure anarchists in the sense they support abolishing the prisons, doing away with government etc. I just can't get on board with that.

I haven't heard of Proud Boys deciding to stage a demonstration in competition with ANTIFA anywhere though. But wherever Proud Boys decide to have a rally, ANTIFA shows up. So are Proud Boys deliberately provoking ANTIFA hoping for a rumble? They'll have to speak to that for themselves. But I'm not seeing any evidence that Proud Boys initiates the violence. If ANTIFA didn't deliberately initiate the violence, I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be any.

 

Ya think?? Why else would 2 Proud Boys from FLORIDA hold a rally in Portland Oregon, Ground Zero for ANTIFA??

The weather?? (well, maybe)

 

Well, look at the "progressives" appropriation of the word "Liberal". They are neither Liberal nor Progressive, they are the opposite.

 

I'm only aware of their actions in Portland, which I thought worked reasonably

Yes, Antifa has often been violent without the presence of any Proud Boys.. Their presence seems to have made Antifa less violent though, of course, police involvement this time certainly helped.

 

I don't know. For the same reason all activists go everywhere to help organize rallies for whatever? I don't accuse people without knowing the facts. Nobody should. And I judge them by what they do, not by what I think they intend.

 

Good to see the citizens of Portland run those Neo Nazi trump supporters...Out of town

 

Cops did a great job.

That said, it is obvious that (beforehand) the RW really seemed to be playing up the "certainty" of a "violent confrontation".

The RW must be really heartbroken that there isn't some "viral video" (like the staged "attack" on Andy Ngo) that they can wallpaper the internet with.

Must be a boring day at Breitbart (not having something like the Ngo BS) to feign outrage over.

Once again, great job by the police.

 

These crazed bigots were running scared......Desperate to create an incident...EPIC FAIL for them

 

Okay ... I know this will sound mad .... but ... I believe that reasonable people on every part of the political spectrum should now begin a calm reasoned conversation about some form of separation for Red and Blue in the US.

There are many precedents. Sweden and Norway separated peacefully over a century ago, Czechs and Slovaks more recently, Scotland will probably leave the UK soon. The USSR came apart relatively peacefully.

There are dozens of practical issues to talk about with respect to how two countries would deal with all the issues that would arise -- legal, economic, military, infra-structure ..... these shouldn't be minimized but they should not be exaggerated either. The US and Canada get on fine -- why not three nations instead of two?

Legally, it would take a Constitutional amendment, but if the American people want it, then that's not a problem.

Basically, I'm talking about an amicable, no-fault divorce. We have to decide on who gets the kids, but it can be done. It might not even be a situation of two fully-independent countries, but one of extreme federation and devolution of powers.

I would be interested in your considered opinion.

At the moment, I am just raising this idea with various people.

 

How was the attack on Andy Ngo 'staged'? Are you saying it was faked?

 

False the were Populist and Liberals and many Segregationist and gave a welcome home to the Segregationist.

 

Terrorism is the use of violence to suppress and opposing political, you don't get to change the meaning just because some leftist groups engage in such terrorism.

"Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentional violence, generally against civilians, for political purposes."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

"the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government."
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorism

 

Antifa attacking a bus with hammers.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1162833952190582785

 

In politics, words are weapons.
The Bolsheviks emerged from the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party. They were its left wing -- the other wing were more like Swedish social democrats, or would have been, given the right circumstances.

At a convention of this party -- attended by a few dozen people, outside of Russia -- Lenin happened to get a small majority for his faction, which he then called the Majority-ites ('Bolsheviki'). His less-extreme opponents were foolish enough to voluntarily assume the name 'Minority-ites' (Mensheviki).... even though they probably would have had the support of the majority of members back in Russia (hard to tell, as they were operating under conditions of illegality).

Now, suppose you're an ordinary Russian worker, joining the workers party, the Social-Democratic Labor Party (Bolsheviki and Mensheviki remained within the same party, formally). Who are you going to be attracted to ... the Majority Group (Bolsheviks) or the Minority Group (Mensheviks). If Lenin had lost that vote, do you think he would have accepted the name 'Minority-ites'? Hell no, he would have called his group the 'True Socialists' or the 'Revolutionary Faction'.

Words are weapons.

In the Third World, the Communists never operated as the Communists, if they could help it. It was always as 'The Peoples Front' or r 'the National Liberation Front'. In the novel The Ugly American, about an American diplomat (as I recall) in a country which the Communists are subverting, the author has the Communists publish a newspaper, The Communist Farmer. No, no ... never in a million years. It would have been 'The Democratic Farmer'. Those people knew how to wage war.

 

LOL at "neo-Nazi".

 

I have often thought the same thing. The divide is so great, is there any hope for reconciliation?

Wouldn't it be a grand experiment though? All the left with their own states, free to run them as they please, and the right with their states... let 20 or 30 years go by and compare the results.

Of course, there would need to be a big wall along the border.

 

RW bus.... send it to Idaho

 

Stay on your side sure seems like echo chamber mentality to me and a way to excuse violence. My sister used to do the im not touching you thing where she put her finger a inch from me and if I'd resort to violence it was still my fault in my family.

 

I won;'t argue about dictionary defintions. I care only about the political impact. In the US today, AntiFa are seen as, will be painted by the mass media as, scruffy kids, who want to fight racism, unruly, yes, a nuisance maybe, almost but not quite as bad as their opponents from the view of public order. Their opponents will be painted as the American Equivalent of the Sturmabteilung. Their victims will be portrayed as ... asking for it. You can see that on this forum, where Lefties casually use the word 'staged' to refer to the attack that sent Andy Ngo to the hospital with a brain bleed. (As a first assumption, assume people on the Left have no honor or conscience. For them, the ends justify the means.)

Trump's suggestion for putting these anarchists and other human garbage in the same category as Al Queda will make him look stupid (okay, insert your own joke here). It will get nowhere, it will be a diversion.

If the Democrats were really smart and knew how to use poltiical judo, they would go along with him and say ... "Okay .. we're up for that ... but the Proud Boys must be added to the list of proscribed organizations." Then Trump would have to defend the Proud Boys, or agree.

We've got to be smart. We've got to think these things through and not just respond to every nasty Leftist provocation with a reflex knee jerk.