Portland protests Aug. 17: What you need to know

Easy to win debates that way huh?

 

That is what they were....I guess you think some are "fine" people

 

Please see above response.

 

You said it was 'staged'. What did you mean by that?

 

No they were not Liberals that is just one rediculous statement. Why? Because that is illogical. Populist yes of course, but not liberal populists. Liberals would not have supported Jim Crow laws.

 

No problem with left wing violence. Figures.

 

It's a fallacy of some people on the Right that all far Lefists admire North Korea or China or even Cuba or Venezuela. It's lazy thinking.

Some of them do:.
When liberals and progressives marched against the invasion of Iraq, they usually did so under the leadership of one of two competing groups: 'Not in Our Name' was one, 'International A.N.S.W.E.R. was the other. The first organization was set up by the Revolutionary Communist Party, a hard line Maoist organization that emerged from the spilt in SDS which saw the birth of the Weathermen. The second group was organized by the Workers' World Party, a Trotskyist communist group which supported the crushing of the Hungarian Revolution by the USSR in 1956.

But these groups are not very large ... a few hundred in each, maybe a couple of thousand. Most modern leftists really have little interest in old-style communism, which glorified the working class, looked for a society where everyone worked, believed in subordination of the individual to the Party, and later to the State. The modern Leftist is an extreme individualist, wants his pleasures NOW, and no one is going to tell him what to do. The hammers and sickles you see occasionally are there to wind you up.

The tyranny they want is a tyranny of PC opinion. If they have any ultimate aim, it's just to bring down society and see what will happen.

 

It doesn't sound mad. I think people will (and are already) self-segregating. I'm retiring in ten years. I won't be moving to a red state. I'm sure my red state counterparts think the same. So you'll just see the coasts turn more brown and liberal and the interior of the country turn more white and conservative. But that is a (political) death-sentence for the conservative movement. Demographics is destiny.

 

Funny.

 

You just described the situation in Portland perfectly, with the Proud Boys sitting in for your sister and you being ANTIFA...

If the 2 sides cannot interact physically, there is zero chance for violence....

 

I think AJ used the wrong word... it wasn't staged, it was intentionally provoked....

 

It's a rich stew of toxic masculinity.

 

Yeah, if they were serious, they would have driven a car into a group of people.... That's the way to get things done, amiright???

 

How can grown ups not keep their hands to themselves?

Better question why do they allow duel permits in Portland if that's the case?

 

Wow. Tone it down, bro'.

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Anyway, back to the Actual OP Topic:

Why was the RW anticipating a "violent confrontation"?

They must not have had much faith in the Portland Police's ability to handle things?

 

Throwing hammers and sending people to the hospital is just so peaceful.

 

We have had roughly similar groups to Anti-Fa before:

----- The Galeanist anarchists, who existed in the first quarter of the century, were bombers. The specialized in dynamite bombs, and killed dozens of people. (The Left's martyrs, Sacco and Vanzetti, were members of this group.)

-------The Weathermen, the same.

-------The Black Panthers were also violent, but due to their low cultural level, mainly killed each other.

There have also been violent groups on the Right: the KKK and various Nazi groups. From the 80s, when Leftists lost hope of revolution in America and went back to college and became your children's teachers, it was far Right groups that did the killing.

What all these groups had in common was that they were nuisances. They weren't national organizations with mass memberships, disciplined, aiming to effect a revolution and seize power.

The only group the US has had on the Left which really had this capacity was the CPUSA. Very serious people, not about to waste their time scuffling in the streets. They had a strategy, they were a cadre organization with mass organizations for various interest groups and for people who didn't want to dedicate their lives to the Revolution. They penetrated Hollywood and some of academia, made real progress in the trade union movement ... they were professionals and conservatives can learn a lot from them about how to operate politically. (Hey, Lefties, I've thrown you a softball, underhand ...)

We don't have anything like this in the US and are not likely to. Our doom is going to come from a very different direction.

 

You put 'those people' in quotes, is there an issue using that phrase? Anyway, my sister, my GAY sister, says those people suck all the air out of the room, get too much attention relative the merely gay people who exist in larger numbers, and she believes anyone who can look in the mirror and deny what they medically and visually see has a screw loose. She wants the T removed from LGBT and she's not alone.

BTW, in a manner that's typical of people like her, she can blast T people, but goes insane when the LGB people are called out. It's because of the hysterical nature of the left that I do not comment very much on her ideas because only her opinion is valid and just her opinion. She posts anti T people stuff on Facebook but wanted to rip my eyeballs out when she thought I posted a meme that was anti LGB - it wasn't, it had nothing to do with LGB or T, it had to do with libs in general.

 

That was a joke about cuomo fyi

 

It was a cheap shot. Apologies.

She's not, and I shared some of her concerns. I don't like the fact that we have to allow men access to women-only spaces. I don't see a way out, though. If a man has completely transitioned and looks very much like a woman, which bathroom/shower/whatever are they supposed to use? This is messy and there aren't easy answers.

I get pulled in two directions on this one. Men who transition are still men and men can get up to a lot of trouble in women-only spaces. I feel sorry for women who have to give up some of the security they're used to.

 

Demographics is indeed destiny, although I usually hear that phrase from people trying to convince me that my wife's granddaughter will be living under Sharia Law.

As to whether we -- our descendants -- will outbreed you, whether we will create a more family-friendly environment than you -- who knows?

I think that progress in biological technology and pharmacology and cell biology will eventually result in a radical transformation of how our species reproduces itself, and in what number. The future is unpredictable of course but I think if we can avoid a big war, it's likely to be very good indeed -- the leap from the kingdom of necessity to the kingdom of freedom. And it will be facilitated if we can stop quarrelling with each other.

The first step for everyone is to try to get rid of the chains of empire. The only argument I've heard against an amicable divorce is that we have to stay together so that we have a big giant military which can invade and occupy Iran, while holding back the Putinist hordes and keeping the Chinese from capturing Japan.

Then people with my outlook have a lot of work to do to try to gradually shift public opinion in the direction of seeing a mutually-amicable divorce as the right way to go.

I must say, although I won't be around to see it, if a separation did come about in the future, and I was in a condition to choose where to live, I would really resent you guys getting California.

 

Is that why the poster keeps calling them a Trump false flag operation?

 

Even if the country were to break into several pieces the left would still not be satisfied. The New US may be governed by several Presidents representing different regions, or even City States, but they'd still be warring with each other.

The country has faced much worse than what's happening now in its 240+ years and recovered. The common sense of the majority of the American people will resolve this latest 'crisis', you can see them at Trump rallies, but it just needs some time. There will always be a 'crisis' of one sort or another, which is why it's a good thing to raise chickens.

 

Whew ... . got it. I had started the process of de-registering and changing my email address and maybe getting off the internet altogether for a few months.
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