Israel bars Democratic congresswomen from entering country <<Moderator's Warning>>

That was the question asked that none of the right can seem to answer... For two years it has been demanded that people respect the executive branch irregardless of what he does or says — and here those same people are saying it’s perfectly fine to not respect the legislative branch.

trump at the top of his approval represents 40-45% of America

Israel absolutely doesn’t and we absolutely have the right to cut off the welfare nation from billions of free taxpayer funds every year.

Discussion is not outrage but I understand when your narrative falls apart hyperbole and dishonesty is all that remains.

 

So America belongs only to the Native Americans then? We should all just return to our home countries?

 

That Democrats support terrorism is a myth I have not seen any evidence off.
And reported for attacking a group.

 

I can see how Jews would be offended by Chritians telling them they are flawed though

 

If a country is not open to any criticism, than it's just a thug state of oppression.
Land of the free.... how about you live up to them norms?

 

more fake news fom the right

 

Now where exactly did I say that?

Native Americans live anywhere they want here in the US. We do not force them to stay on the reservation anymore. We do not bomb their houses and their cities just because they are Native Americans. We no longer have a desire to "wipe them from the face of the earth".

However, technically, they do have more rights to this land than us and many court decisions even support that claim....as well as many on the left.

 

Early settlers pretty much wiped them out.
If you want to ignore military acquisitions for hundreds of years ago in some instances you have to do it for all.

Hypocritical if you don’t.

 

Yes, the Native Americans were pretty decimated, but not even close to "wiped out". If we are not to ignore "military acquisition", then there should be no sovereign Native American land or Government.

The Israeli people have always been in the region. They were never truly "wiped out". Israeli Jewish and Christians were even the majority until the late 12th century. I completely understand the military acquisition concept, but as some want people to believe that the arab-muslim have some seniority claim on the area is nothing more than ignorance.

If you support rule of conquest, then that is fine, but then you also should support that Native Americans are just Americans and should have no sovereignty....hypocritical if you don't.

 

Yes, the Jews were in Israel long before the Arab Palestinians. But remember, they hate us as much as they hate they Jews.


Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib Retweet Jew-Hating Cartoonist who Mocked Dead US Soldiers in Iraq

Now, @IlhanMN and @RashidaTlaib are promoting Carlos Latuff; a cartoonist who drew a terrorist raising the flag of Saddam Hussein’s Ba’athist government, while stepping on a murdered US soldier.

 

They shouldn’t have special rights anymore than any other American.
Glad to be consistent

 

And yet they do.

For the most part, it appears that we actually agree. I was not saying that the Arab-Muslims do not have some valid claim to parts of the region. I was just disputing that their claim is based on any sense of seniority, as many try to claim. If we honor the Rules of Conquest, then Israel should own Gaza, The Golan Heights The West Bank, and other lands that they "won" in 1967 and 1973....basically, all of Israel and The Sinai.

 

Both sides are in the wrong in my opinion. Neither side wants peace and unfortunately many innocents are killed on both sides.

 

Yep, that is the sad part of the whole situation.

 

Here's more:

 

More confusion.

The office of the president remains respected. the issue is whether our fundamental American institutions, our special method of governance is respected.

If you read my posts you will note that I've NEVER said that the opinions of individuals need to be accepted without criticism.

And, "those women" absolutely DO represent America. They are elected to America's top representative offices, representing significant constituencies. What the heck do you think Congress IS??


Also, I didn't say anything about Israel needing to "give anyone a platform". I said that our president needs to respect the congress of the USA. And, encouraging a foreign power to disrespect our congress is an international act of disdain for our most powerful branch of government.

 

No, I'm saying that Israel has no right to ethnically cleans a neighboring country.

And, suggesting that modern boundary change may be justified based on 3000BC conquests is just plain STUPID.

 

This is seriously confused.

There is no legal justification for ethnic cleansing. That is a internationally recognized humanitarian atrocity.

And, the idea that Palestine can only be justified as a country by appeal to some religion is also just plain nutty.

America stands for religious plurality and the equality of humans. America helped form the UN to establish law against the notion that one state can conquer a neighboring state in order to acquire its wealth, to resolve differences through negotiation, the rule of law, and other fundamental beliefs we hold as a nation.

And, I would point out that Israel has signed onto those agreements as a member state - yet it continues to commit these atrocities.

 

You're confused. It's the muslims calling for the extermination of Israel. Israel has the right to defend itself.

 

Palestine, including the Hamas leadership of Gaza is NOT calling for an end to Israel. You just got that wrong.

In fact the unity government established by Abbas got all participants to sign the founding documents that state that the objective is living in peace beside Israel, that the only means of achieving that and are negotiation (strictly forbidding violence), and that there would be NO seats in the government set side for Hamas - all seats would be democratically elected. (Unfortunately, Netanyahu used various tactics to kill that government - including preventing representatives from traveling between Gaza and West Bank and harsh economic sanctions.)

Abbas has LONG worked with the IDF against violence of all kinds.


As for Israel, their actions have NOTHING AT ALL to do with security. Not even slightly. You don't steal the property of those living in the river valleys and concede the high ground as a defensive maneuver. NOTHING Israel has done has had anything at all to do with long term security. Their focus has been on continuing war against Gaza (refusing ALL negotiation) and ethnic cleansing in West Bank - an act that every American would see as justifying violence should it happen to them.

 

Do you support Hamas?

 

You reap what you sow and this was a classic example.

 

No. Hamas is a relatively loose grouping with there having been at least three different parts - some of which don't even talk. I don't support any of them.

Hamas is not even slightly strong. The unity government of Abbas would have seriously undermined their influence in Gaza, since Hamas revenue is so dependent on fees for goods going through checkpoints. Yet, Hamas leadership agreed to join.

If the borders were operated by the Abbas unity government, the support of people in Gaza and funding for the various operations inside Gaza would come from the unity government, not Hamas. And, Abbas has a strong record of rejecting violent means.

That would be a significant positive change in several ways. First, Hamas wouldn't be so well funded. Second, negotiations would not be so compromised by the unwillingness of various leaders to talk with Gazan leadership. Third, third party entities such as the UN and the nearly 140 countries that recognize Palestine as a state would find it easier to contribute to negotiated solutions, even including the possibility of temporary third party security forces.

Today, Israel has waged continuous war against the people of Gaza for 20 years!! And, they absolutely refuse to discuss an end to that war, leaving Gazan's in a war where every act they take is construed as illegal!!

That in itself is a MAJOR block to any kind of progress. Something has to change, and the FACT that Netanyahu crushed the unity government of Abbas is a devastating attack on the possibilities of an end.

It's a step that proves Netanyahu's statement that there will never be peace while he leads Israel.

 

Well I think it's justified, they've been very vocal in their "anti-Israel" stance, clearly just wanted to go to stir up trouble.

 

The world has said what is Israel, and what is not. And Israel has been invading Palestine, ethnically cleansing the people, to make room for Israeli Jews. Where is the right for their defense?