MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS SAY COLLEGES ARE BAD FOR AMERICA (YES, REALLY)

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    Do you think Trump install his own outlets or replace his own faucet washers?? ;)
     
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    I don't think he even does his own hair.
     
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    I can't find any evidence supporting the following statement.
     
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    You call that "hair"?? ;)
     
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    It will snowball if they continue to corrupt science education in public schools and keep their chilluns from attending higher education, or send them to private colleges and universities where they can comfortably remain ignorant and unchallenged in their beliefs.
     
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    https://www.economicmodeling.com/20...very-state-just-humanities-degrees-declining/

    And then there are economics, finance and business majors, tending to be more conservative. as well as professional degrees. Do you think Med Schools engage in indoctrination? Law schools? nursing schools?

    In any case, maybe you can provide evidence of the widespread liberal indoctrination that conservative responses to these polls seem to suggest? And, no, a link to a video from a RW crackpot website won't do.
     
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    Thank you.

    There may be more STEM programs being offered, but what are the amount of students who have declared a STEM major relative to other programs?

    What do you define as indoctrination?
     
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    I didn't like a lot of my teachers in elementary school. In high school, I learned how to game the system by being a varsity athlete. It can make a difference with almost every grade if teachers like you. It doesn't matter so much if you like them.
    I guess it depends on your major once in college. I was taught by a number of adjunct professors who had actually worked or were on sabbatical from work in what would be my real world profession. They were tough task masters but tried to make sure that everyone they taught would have a good chance at landing a job with a top firm, where the real learning starts all over again.
    One of them told us, If you people skip class that's up to you. You are paying my salary either way. If you don't go to class at least learn how to use the library to research on your own.
     
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    An honest person would be ashamed to make such an assinine statement in today's climate of 'Snowflakes", "Safe Places", and "Trigger Words". But then again, ''all's fair...", right?
     
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    Do you know what the liberal arts are? I'm being serious now, because it is a truly idiotic thing to say if you do. I know for a certainty that Americans would be a hell of a lot better off if they were studying history more, one of the core "liberal arts." Some of the other things you are an idiot if you study? Religion, literature, geography, political science, psychology, Chinese, sociology, and philosophy. So basically anything that provides meaning and value to human well-being. On top of that, a traditional definition of liberal arts would also include math and the sciences. So really what else is there to study? America would be an infinitely better place with more liberal arts education, it would certainly have far fewer "idiots" then.
     
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    There are a lot of triggered snowflakes seeking safe spaces on the right. It's why they get very offended when someone on Fox News occasionally tells the truth, incidentally.
     
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    See for yourself, the banks stopped making student loans in 2009/10 - scroll to the testimony -about 1 min 40 seconds in:



    Have any of those bankers been indicted for perjury? ;-)
     
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    Reminds me of this guy.

    Firefighters fear colleague who routinely flees fires - New York Post


    https://nypost.com › 2015/05/17 › firefighters-fear-for-their-lives-over-fire...

    May 17, 2015 - Michael D. Johnson won't fight fires. Instead, he stays on

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    But remember, they'll never promote diversity over competence.
     
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    I think what he is trying to say is, "If you spend 4 years of your life studying Russian Music Theory and then afterwards complain that your $40,000 degree isn't earning you six figures on wall street, you're an idiot."

    I can only imagine that is what he is trying to say.

    Well, today, math and sciences are part of STEM, not liberal arts. Once upon a time, programming was a lot like accounting. Today, it's a lot like Mathematics, which includes algorithms and Group Theory. Nothing like liberal arts. These days, even the math that we give Liberal Arts studies is completely different from then Math we would give a Computer Science student, which is different from the math we would give a Business student.

    That's one person's opinion; however, this may not represent current American issues. Today, plenty of college grads are left with tons of debt and are underemployed. This has very little to do with what students are studying; rather the skills they are acquiring.
     
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    Wait!

    According to this same poll 46% vs 44% of Democrats have a negative view of the media.

    How can that be?

    The liberals dominate the media.
     
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    They're the exception, not the rule. Most managers (especially at the executive level) have business degrees. It's the reason why an M.B.A. exist; to prepare people for management positions.

    EDIT: One of the examples even says this about Jack Ma:

    "On struggling to put his English degree to use: After graduating from college — it took Ma three tries to even pass China’s college entrance exam — Ma faced a string of over 30 job rejections, including a rejection from Kentucky Fried Chicken."

    Jack Ma became successful in spite of his English degree, not because of it.
     
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    A blanket statement was made that if one studies liberal art one is an idiot. Clearly I proved that to be incorrect.
     
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    I don't think you proved it to be incorrect; you've proved that things were different long ago, and now things have changed. I'm only pointing out that you want to be careful with the, "Mark Zuckerberg did it without college and so can you," line of reasoning when it comes to life choices.

    In your list of CEOs with Liberal Art's degrees, many of those managers got their break in a complete different era of business. You didn't need to know a lot about the complexities of operating in a higher competition global market place. Today, it's almost impossible to get that exposure as an undergrad student, unless you take business courses (or attend business school).

    Yes, some people became CEOs of their companies with a liberal arts degree; we're not taking anything from them. I'm not saying that the degree is worthless, but things are unlikely to work the same in our business environment today.

    The people who manage to make it work have a different mindset from the average Liberals Arts student.
     
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    Let me bring to mind a simple phrase, that has been repeated numerous times 'uneducated masses'. Now, I am paraphrasing, but the Democrat voters have used that and similar phrases since Trump began to campaign. You claiming 'some person at some point in time', is a hair shy of a fib, and I believe you know it.

    The only times I've seen blue collar 'look down' at white color is when white color has exhibited the very traits I brought up.
     
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    Indoctrination: In math, science, engineering and physics courses it may not be as noticeable but can be. Certain individual professors may definitely interject their thinking to their students. Hopefully you learn how to research further any subject they teach and don't get too hung up on the professor.

    If you are intelligent yet choose communications, public relations or journalism you most likely lean left, may be radicalized, could be wealthy or couldn't get into law school.

    Unless you intend only to teach, humanities or a liberal arts degree is most likely going to be a dead end. If you are wealthy it may not matter.

    Economics and finance degrees don't always lead to great jobs. Getting your CPA, CFP will help. On the other hand I know millionaires with no college. Commodities traders only need to be good gamblers. Most stock brokers need some background in finance or accounting to pass the Series 7. Economics and finance are professions but don't require post graduate degrees.

    Doctors, dentist and vets require post graduate professional degrees. Most I know are very smart. I would expect at least as many lean left as right politically.

    Lawyers, architects and most engineering professions require post graduate degrees. They come in all flavors too. Some are very liberal and others more conservative. If you are in corporate law, you might be more conservative. If you are an immigration lawyer or a public defender, chances are you will be more liberal.

    Nurses? I dated a few a long time ago. The only thing I noticed is that most don't display a lot of emotion. If you have the sniffles and are just looking for their sympathy, forget it. They see much worse all the time.
     
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    Computer Science was always about math.
     
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    Music is also based on math.
     
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