How to make mass shootings more difficult...

Dig a little farther down and you’ll find ‘Ruger & Co Mini 14 Tactical rifle’ on the list.

 

Sorry you are afraid of scary black guns and if I were a leftie I may be prone to call you a racist for that comment. That said, full auto firearrms are terribly inaccurate, very prone to fail, and literally impossible for one individual to keep in service due to their rapid rate of fire.
Your comments that an AR15 is inaccurate proves you probably need to do a bit more research before you comment.
AR15 matches are regularly shot at 600yds not to mention this,
"1,000 Yard Shots With A Stock AR-15, With Military Ball Ammo (M855) With Iron Sights?
Most impressive to me is that Shawn was able to do this with military ball ammo (M855) after he did it with the heavier, MK262 (77gr OTM) designed for long distance."
http://preparedgunowners.com/2016/06/07/how-far-can-you-shoot-your-ar-15-500-800-1000-yards/

 

It was tipped that he was trying to buy magazines out of state. He could have bought those out of state with no questions asked just by going out of state to do it. It was more a case of good police work than anything else. High capacity magazines are very easy to buy. I could most likely find you a dozen places you could buy them no questions asked.

As I said before, I generally do not try to tell someone what size magazine they should use. People usually have their own requirements. However, when you get somewhere above a dozen or so rounds per magazine, it is hard to justify them. Certainly they have little value for hunting. Just the sheer weight of handling a weapon with an excessive number of rounds makes them counterproductive. Having a law on over size magazines is a good idea. Not just making them hard to get, but near impossible unless they somehow make them themselves.

 

The A Team used mini-14s in the tv show. I would not all it uncommon to see a mini in a movie. Usually it is of the stainless variety.

 

When did the people wanting gun control advocate for a dictator?

 

Heh, that bill doesn't restrict the AR or the AK, as both can be equipped with a 'sport' or 'hunting' style stock, which exempts them from being an 'assault weapon'. Im not aware of any rifle that cannot be so equipped. Essentially it just bans pistol grips on semi-automatic rifles...

Do you really think thats going to reduce shootings?

Edit: Correction- it does ban all AR and AK type rifles specifically by make/model. Which means two things:
-gun manufacturers will have to slightly alter the design of both weapons and 'remodel' them (which they're likely already doing jic)
-Ruger will breifly have market dominance with their Mini-14 as it already meets those limitations.

 

Right. So you agree we need different regulations and laws. Good!

 

As Adolph Hitler said:

The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjugated races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjugated races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police.

 

Still no concrete proposals from gun enthusiasts in this forum. They will talk about anything except the real problem: the death of innocent people. It is almost as if they are unconcerned about anything except their guns.
One doesn't have to fully understand a weapon before one understands the effects that weapon has on a crowd of people. Semantics will not solve the problem.

 

He "could" but he didn't. So here have an example of how we can catch some of them (QED) by making them do more "work" rather than just walking into a store and coming out with whatever gun they want.. Even when it only works on the dumb ones... lives are saved.

 

That's besides the point. I'm neither promoting nor trashing the bill. I'm just giving you the definition that you asked for.

 

Whoever wrote the description of what an assault weapon is are really dumb when it comes to firearms.

I noticed that the liberals exempted the Remington Rolling Block rifle from being labeled as a scary looking assault weapon.

There was a Marine up in I-Corps who took a 7mm Remington Rolling Block rifle off a dead VC.
Any freaking firearm can be used as an assault weapon including a 100 year old rifle.

 

I asked what definition you wanted. Is that the definition you think will be effective?

 

Well then why do you need Washington to do something about it? Why don’t you go knock on the door of the governor of your state.

What is assault weapon? No one seems to know or have a good definition.

Again, why Congress? Why don’t you reach out to your local lawmakers?

No, I attribute it to ACLU for sticking their identity politics into policing troubled neighborhoods. New York could significantly decrease its homicide rate by having “stop and frisk” policy, something that Chicago cannot easily do now. So, New Yorkers get to live because nobody worries that a cop is racist when they stop a frisk individuals that don’t look like they should be possessing any guns and Chicagoans get to die because our cops cannot hurt those thugs feeling.
That’s nuts!

 

Chicago gangbangers don’t shoot from “assault weapons”. They use anything that shoots - rifles, revolvers, handguns and even shotguns. I’ve never heard of a drive by shooting in Chicago where an AR-15 was used.

 

I don't consider passing a law which can be easily ignored to be making it difficult.

 

Sure... Looks like a good starting point for meaningful legislation. Which, BTW, in my opinion should be much broader than this bill.

 

Two reasons: one, the Governor of my state is an NRA lackey. And two, because if it comes from Washington, bad guys would have a harder time doing the same by just hopping across the state line to Georgia.

You haven't looked hard enough.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/66/text

And you know how they do it? By showing actual evidence that it doesn't work. Peer-reviewed studies like these that show negligible to no impact of these policies in crime prevention

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07418825.2012.712152?journalCode=rjqy20

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2614058

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07418825.2016.1275748?journalCode=rjqy20

And that, nevertheless, the policy negatively affected the economy of the city in a significant way

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2695584

So now you know their secret: go to your legislators and your Governor with real hard evidence, and not just "a gut feeling" that the policy works, and you might change their minds.

 

Looks like the guy mentioned on the OP didn't find it so "easy" to ignore the law.

 

How would you change the definitions in the bill to make them broader and more effectively reduce shootings?

 

Inside every hoplophobe there's a totalitarian screaming to get out.

https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Hoplophobe

Hoplophobia online test. -> http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/gun-phobia/online-test/

 

Golem
My own bias about guns may well be similar to your own. And obviously, these episodes of mass shootings are profoundly disturbing. But in the larger scheme of things.....are so very many people killed in this way? My guess is less than 200 a year at the outside.

If this is a relatively minor problem (albeit an alarming one). Is this really a problem that should be so high on our national agenda? I mean.... addressing this problem is like throwing red meat to a large segment of our nation. Is it really worth it.

 

Parents need to get involved with their children.
Less single parent households
More interaction between children
Less interaction online
Less gaming and more games with real humans present and participating
Education and counseling for those who have a difficult time relating to others

 

By consulting experts. Not to change the definitions. But to include more than what they define as "Assault Weapons".

 

You want to save lives get rid of gun free zone signs and liberalize concealed carry.