Israel bars Democratic congresswomen from entering country <<Moderator's Warning>>

Would you call Steve King a waste of space?

So why do you think that Israel banned Omar and Tlaib?

 

So did Obama disrespect the Israeli government by banning one of its elected representatives? Or do you admit an insane double standard?

 

your hero King: https://www.google.com/search?q=ste...rome..69i57.3401j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8



supporting Israel's brutal and welfare receiving regime is supporting fascism - too bad Einstein ain't here or he would agree

 

"But...But...Obama..."

That was then, this is NOW.

That said, Israel can ban anybody that they want.

^Not the best look, but they can do it (if they don't care about the blowback).

 

My knowledge of that region's history is far superior to yours. And yes, I do put some blame on the British for stealing Palestinian lands. But the real problem is the continued support that regime gets from the USA. Funny how Washington DC hates Havana, Cuba for supposedly being repressive but loves Israel's regime even though it has been infinitely worse.

 

Well, gosh, Mr. Truth... it looks like once again, we're going to disagree. What's this now... about four or five hundred times over the past couple of years...? But I'll consider burning a votive candle in celebration of your "far superior" knowledge about the Middle East.

Yep -- you and Einstein -- "two peas in a pod"...? Hey, how could I possibly argue with that?! But remember, Mr. Truth, when Einstein's name is brought up over cocktails in the far-distant future, he will be remembered as a cutting-edge, brilliant physicist... and really, nothing else....

. "So, how many things is one man SUPPOSED to be brilliant at...?" -- "Uh, stick to physics!"

 

They're in good company, the UK has banned lots of people. Could it be only the banning of nutty LWers bothers you?

 

I don't sweat those folks, they are well known to be irrational.

 

Trump supported a foreign leader in disrespecting our congressmen and by obvious extension our congress.

Yes - that is definitely worse than the fact that Netanyahu disrespected our congressmen. Foreign leaders get to disrespect our congress. And, we can dial that into our understanding of who our allies are and who are not our allies.

 

Your side disrespects our POTUS daily.

A good point by Bill Maher about these two nutjobs:

"Some people have one move only: boycott. Cancel. Make-go-away," Maher wrote, apparently echoing phrases toddlers use. "But here’s the thing, the house voted 318 to 17 to condemn the #BDS movement, including 93% of Dems. Does Tlaib want to boycott 93% of her own party?"

Maher's tweet appeared to refer to a July vote in which the House overwhelmingly approved a measure opposing the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement against Israel."

It isn't Netanyahu, it's Israeli law, that states those who support boycotting Israel should be banned.

 

Here's more:

 

That's an ENTIRELY different matter. We're allowed to have full throated disagreement here in the USA.

The issue here is that our top elected official disrespected our congress in the context of discussion with the leader of a foreign country.

If you think you can find another case of THAT, then go for it.

Maher is your knew foreign relations analyst? Really??? Should I be remembering that when posting to you, or is this a one time fling?

And, did Maher actually mix up #BDS and boycotting US congressmen? What the heck is he even talking about? Or, is that actually a misquote?

And, once again you're not even catching onto the point that we can disagree here, but when our officials have public communication with foreign dignitaries we expect them to show some respect for America's highest offices.

And?

I'm well aware that Israel doesn't support what America sees as fundamental - freedom of speech, equality under the law regardless of religion, voting rights, etc.

Of course, we supported apartheid in South Africa, too.

 

What the HECK are you suggesting? Are you proposing that each side in a war should have and use the same weapons?

Would you feel better if the US gave major military aid to Gaza to ensure equality?

Would you feel better of we gave rifles to Gaza so they could pick off Israelis who are shooting farmers across the border?

I'm sorry, but your question is LUDICROUS as exemplified by EVERY war that has EVER been waged since rockets existed.

Israel is at war. And, they are such pansy assed wusses as to complain about some rockets that rarely do damage and can't even be AIMED!! Yet, THEY see that as justification for using modern jets to bomb apartment complexes, electric and water service, hospitals, etc.

 

So is that a YES, he IS a waste of space? And how exactly is he my "hero?" Did I call him my hero? Also, again, why do you think that Israel banned Omar and Tlaib? Will you deflect YET AGAIN? I won't be in the LEAST surprised if you do!

 

I agree, but then surely you would also say that it wasn't "the best look" for Obama to ban the Israeli representative. Or do you admit an insane double standard?

 

Not supplied by the US, but absolutely that would be a much more proportional response! At least it's only Israeli soldiers that would be killed, not civilians.

Why? If Israel was firing rockets into Palestine, would you be perfectly okay with that? Or do you admit an insane double standard?

Apartment complexes and hospitals that are NOT terrorist bases?

 

So in the same way that Netanyahu disrespected these Congresswomen, Obama disrespected the Israeli government representative when he banned him from entering the US? By the way, I'm frankly STUNNED that you continue to use "CongressMEN!" How very un-PC of you!

 

I'm just pointing out that the military arms of countries around this Earth use the weapons they have - as Rumsfeld and many others have pointed out.

Israel, for example, uses blockades, riflemen, the power to deny food, fuel, water, electricity and medicine, the power to destroy the economy by taxation maneuvers, as well as blocking all economic exports, etc., supersonic jet bombers, etc.

Palestine doesn't have those. They have a few really cheap and pathetic rockets.

If you want to help out with their weapons acquisition, they would probably abandon those rockets. Until then, a war is a war and you fight with what you've got.

Those weren't terrorist bases. They may have been or been near to launch sites.

Still, in modern warfare we and other first world nations make a concerted effort to refrain from slaughtering innocent civilians.

But, Israel is fine with slaughtering civilians even when they have and use so many other methods.

 

ben Ari was denied a visa by the State Department on grounds the he was a terrorist.

He was a ardent follower of Kahane, who was guilty of explosives manufacturing charges in the USA and who promoted violence against non-Jews.

BUT, more importantly you're still failing to notice that this has NOTHING TO DO with what I've said about Trump.

 

So what are you suggesting that Israel does in response to rockets being fired at them? Just let them continue to rain in?

You mean deliberately slaughtering them or they die in collateral damage after a strike against Palestinian soldiers/terrorists?

 

But he was a duely elected representative of Israeli constituencies wasn't he?

Yeah I know that, I was just addressing your minor point about Israel disrespecting the US Congress.

 

They should work to end the war they are waging against Gaza. PERIOD. The idea of having a 20 years war without even being willing to TALK is absolutely preposterous. It's unacceptable.

When you use modern munitions against an occupied apartment it IS a wholesale slaughter.

And, in the past they have given warnings, but so late that nothing could be done, in part because there was no place a civilian could have gone that Israel wasn't bombing.

Calling that "collateral damage" is preposterous. It makes it sound like an accident!! And, they don't even apologize as if it were an accident. It could NOT be more purposeful.

 

Yet, you and Israel point to Ben Ari as an excuse!!

We can do something about Trump's disrespect - which is part of a long and well known pattern of total disrespect for our form of government.

As for Netanyahu, we have NO valid justification for the work we do at his bidding. He is NOT our ally - he is our boss. And, he is carrying out humanitarian atrocity and we are supporting him - leaving us looking STUPID whenever we talk about equality, peace, justice, rule of law, or anything else.

Who in the entire ME could look to us as a guiding light for those things we stated in our declaration of independence? We turned that to garbage!

 

He was a duely elected representative of Israeli constituencies wasn't he?

 

What is your evidence that they haven't even been willing to talk?