Mass shootings and Trump

Later, I added that another Trump manufactured emergency would happen and the background check legislation will be eclipsed by another disaster created by Trump. All the fervor over background checks will cease and be forgotten. Trump probably has already changed his mind again, encouraged by his friends in the NRA or he has forgotten all about it because of the new crisis.

That has happened. Yesterday, the Dow was down 800 points, the Nasdaq was down 242 points, and the S&P was down 86 points. The Dow was at 25,480, 40 points higher than it was five months ago.

On August 1, Trump announced a 10% tariff on $300B of Chinese goods that are popular with American consumers, clothing, shoes, computers, cell phones, etc. That precipitated the worst week of the year for the stock market. The following Monday, August 5, Trump's announcement caused the worst day of the year. The Dow plunged 760 points.

On August 12, the Dow lost 391 points, but then on August 13 The US Trade Representative announced a delay of Trump's tariffs on several categories of Chinese-made consumer goods until December 15. Those goods include cell phones, laptop computers, video game consoles, certain toys, computer monitors, and certain items of footwear and clothing, and the Dow shot up more than 400 points.

Tariffs on popular consumer goods cause higher prices. Even Trump has grudgingly admitted that. Higher prices cause inflation. Inflation causes less demand. Less demand causes unemployment. Tariffs cause recession, Econ 101.

On August 15, the stock market set another record. Now it is the worst day of the year. The reason, recession fears. The Times reports, "Trade-war worries hammered financial markets again on Wednesday as data from Germany and China showed trouble for manufacturing-reliant economies, while the bond market renewed fears of an American recession."

So, we can forget about background checks until the next mass shooting of civilians in a school, mall, picnic, bar, work place, or other. Then the fervor will start up all over again with the same result. Nothing will get done as long as Trump is President and Mitch McConnell is the Senate majority leader.

 

For the left, it is something they lie about all the time. In the same speech he denounced white supremacists and the KKK but for the left with their echo chamber of lies only hear what they want to hear.

 

Nikolas Cruz was able to pass a background check and buy a gun because Obama, Holder and Arne Duncan paid neighborhoods, schools and police departments, to undermine the background check system. Cruz was guilty of more than one infraction that would have denied him a gun. Obama murdered those people in Parkland.

Patrick Crusius' mother called the police and told them her son was not emotionally ready to own a gun. RED FLAG if ever there was.

The reason you claim that little is known about Connor Betts is because that's what Liberals do when the don't want to know that Betts was a Democrat who posted a "Hit List" and a "Rape List" before passing a background check to buy a gun. Rumor has it that he was also arrested, but no matter. The Obama, Holder, Duncan program may well have allowed the Democrat to buy a gun.

 

Once we entered the era of killing for killing sake's, what worries me even if guns are totally banned is the means will change. If a person wants to kill unknown bystanders in some public place a bomb, fire, arson, knives, machetes, chemicals, even driving a truck or a car into the crowd, etc. accomplishes the same thing a gun would. They might kill more, they might kill less, but the killing will continue.

I don't think Trump helps much and I don't think he wants to. But until we as a society actually get interested in finding out why these killers go on their killing spree, we're doing nothing more than feeding the brain tumor patient aspirin. Mark my word, take away the semi automatics, the magazines etc. they resort to something else.

Perhaps we need to take a look back into history, when mass shootings, killings were very rare. Find out what has changed in our society and try to correct it. Then again, we as a whole may not want to know what has gone wrong with our society as that points a finger at us.

Just some musing from one who grew up in the 1950s when there was just one mass shooting. That one done by a terrorist group. I know the 1950's get mocked as the Ozzie and Harriet decade. But they must have been doing something right. At least when it comes to mass killings.

 

Yes Donald Trump is responsible for all bad things.

I'm pretty sure cancer is something that Donald Trump created.

 

That is because it is culture. The change in culture has happened over a long period of time since the 50's and fixing may take longer. Banning guns will do nothing other than criminalize law abiding citizens who are not going to give them up.

 

If you had warned people about the insane aggression and promotion of hate by the left, you would have been actually addressing the problem. Crap like the Maxine Waters speech for example, telling people to go tell those not on there side to "get out, you are not welcome anywhere...."

But of course you probably agree with that so it's OK? You think hate doesn't breed discontent? You think dems telling people everything is owed to them and they are being cheated doesn't breed discontent?
I think it does that, and it demonstrates that the people who are willing to do that have no respect for anyone but themselves- nor anything, except power in hand. That makes them trash; devoid of character. Hate promoters- violence promoters.

 

"you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."

There must be some part of that sentence you don't understand.

On that day, Trump was all over the place. Despite the armed invasion of the town by white supremacists and the violence that resulted, including a murder, Trump at one point seem to indicate this was all about a statue.

Everyone else knew different, but not our President.

 

What are you talking about? You make a practice of making accusations that you never explain. Is that because you make them up.

Maxine? You really getting desperate? Outside of her L.A. constituents, no one listens to Maxine. I watch three to four hours of news a day. I haven't heard anything from Maxine in months.

Are you comparing her comments to those of the President of the United States?

Like I said, Trump supporters are really getting desperate. Trump inspired three angry young men to commit three mass shootings in eight days and his trade war with China has cost Americans to lose millions in the past two weeks while placing recession pressure on our great economy.

Yeah, if I supported Trump, I would be desperate, too.

 

Wow, I am impressed. That was a real whopper.

 

Each era has had its problems. During the '30's we had bank robbers, killers, and the rise of the Mafia caused by prohibition. In the 40's we had WWII, the worst war in man's history, and the rise of the communist threat. During the '50's, '60's, '70's, and '80's we had the Cold War, and I can still remember the fear of the atomic bomb. In the late '60's early '70's we had Vietnam and volatile protests. Through it all we have had racial strife. In the 2000's we had an extremely unpopular war and increased involvement in the volatile Middle East. Thousand of Americans were killed and wounded. We also had the Great Recession.

Then we elected a black President and mass shootings increased exponentially followed by a President who inspires violence with his inflammatory rhetoric. The same President whose followers are members of a cult. They don't know why they support Trump. They just do.

It doesn't seem like it, but we will get through this. We always do.

I think. .

 

"I think?" We probably will, I hope. But I would certainly like to see someone starting to take a deep look into a society that now fosters all these mass shooters/killers. Back between 1900 to around 1970 most mass killers knew their victims, they were familicides and felony related, gangster related like the St. Valentine Day's murders. Done for money, greed, revenge, expanding or protecting one's turf, (gangsters), even going postal if you remember that the killer went after folks he knew. Today, that isn't the case. These mass killers go after anyone, unknowns to them, innocent bystanders in public places. No rhyme or reason.

I think there is a cause for this, perhaps we could find it if we were willing to look. Maybe not, maybe it is just too many people in one spot with no elbow room anymore. I certainly don't know. Perhaps living on top of one another is beginning to drive us all crazy. Video games, I doubt it. As a kid we play cowboys and indians, war, every kid had toy guns and even brought them to school to play with them during recess. All I know is we should be looking for a cause.

 

If you claim that Trump said the white supremacists are very fine people.... yes, you're a liar.

 

PROMISE gave school administrators the power to decide whether infractions were deemed worthy of involving the policy rather than following guidelines that were previously in place. PROMISE stands for 'Preventing Recidivism through Opportunities, Mentoring, Intervention, Support, and Education.'

The program was praised by the Obama administration and the school district was awarded $54 million in grants from the $4 billion 'Race to the Top' initiative.

Ingraham listed the infractions that the 'PROMISE Program' prevented police from getting involved in: Alcohol-related incidents, assault, threat, bullying, disruption on campus, drug use, possession, under the influence, drug paraphernalia, possession, false accusation against school staff, fighting, mutual combat, harassment, thefts, trespassing, vandalism and damage to property.

According to a pamphlet by BCPS, the 'Promise Program' was implemented in an effort to "eliminate the school-to-prison pipeline."

Arrests went from 1,056 students in 2011-2012 to 392 in the 2015-2016 school year.

"The Obama Administration Education Secretary Arne Duncan and Attorney General Eric Holder were so impressed by the PROMISE Plan that it inspired their own new national guidelines," Ingraham reported.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...lorida_schools_ignoring_violent_students.html

Inconvenient truth explains why violent pukes like Nikolas Cruz were able to pass background checks and buy lethal weapons. How was Connor Betts able to pass a background check?

 

This program did not undermine the background check system. Instead of arresting students, they were provided counseling.

Betts was at least six years out of the program. He was 24.

 

Cruz passed a background check despite infractions that should have been reported to the police. The racist program was designed to keep black kids out of jail by keeping all kids out of jail. The Sheriff was so scared to cost his department millions of Obamabucks that he stayed outside and let Cruz murder more people rather than confronting him.

In the next county, Trayvon Martin should have been arrested for possession of stolen property, women's jewelry and burglary tools. Instead he was spotted casing his father's neighborhood. He'd probably be alive, but with a rap sheet, if not for Obama's racist program.

 

That is quite true.

Perhaps true. I am not familiar with he history of Trayvon Martin.

However, considering your original accusation, quite beside the point.

That is a lie and you got caught.

 

Trump supported hundreds of far-right protesters as they swarmed downtown Portland on Saturday with many of them looking as if they were ready to do battle against the anti-fascist demonstrators who’d gathered to confront them.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/proud...a-success-go-look-at-president-trumps-twitter

 

I knew this would happen. Most of us did. It has all happened before with Trump, several times. He says whatever is politically expedient at the time, then changes his mind when that becomes expedient. His donors at the NRA "straightened him out.

Trump, who appeared to be considering background checks and other gun policy reform, has backed away from the topic and is now openly discussing "red flag" legislation instead.

Red flag rules are state-level laws that allow family members and, in certain cases, law enforcement officials, to obtain temporary court orders to bar individuals deemed as a threat from possessing firearms. They're already on the books in 17 states.

Instead of working with Congress on comprehensive legislation the president is now reportedly urging Representatives to work with their state officials to get these "extreme risk protection orders" on the books.

Shortly after the deadly mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, this month, the president told reporters he would consider backing more stringent background checks.

"On background checks, we have tremendous support for really common-sense, sensible, important background checks," Trump told reporters at the White House on August 9.

https://www.newsweek.com/el-paso-dayton-trump-nra-red-flag-background-checks-guns-1454795

 

Gee, he did that, too.

 

All bad things he is evil incarnate.

 

Good Grief what a bunch of hog wash full of untruth.

1. not all the right wingers at Charlottsville were neonazis or white supremacists so yes there were probably some good right wingers there

2. Trumps remarks about the "squad" were right on and not based on race

3. Trumps remarks about Elijah Cummings were right on the money and not about race at all

4. so? we have known for decades that young white supremacists can be violent, much like other young men

5. Trump doesn't have a white nationalist agenda

6. the kid in Dayton Ohio was a far leftist who supported Elizibeth Warren


consider your entire post debunked .

 

Bass Anglers Sportsman Society.
Is the only organization i currently belong to.
Past affiliations

Native Fish Society
Clark-Skamania Fly fishers of which i was the conservative director
Columbia River Bassmasters of which i was a director
NWDRA northwest drag racing association
Crossroads Community Church Vancouver WA.

If you can find a white supremacist connection in thoes organizations.
Well then knock yourself out..

 

Trump's tweets had nothing to do with race, that whole argument has been proven fraudulent.