Trump renews threat to end ' rediculous' birthright citizenship

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  1. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am a Mick and if it’s an ethnic slur, it is one that I have always been proud to be called. I also like to drink whiskey sometimes too so I am not offended by that stereotype either. I hope we cleared that up.
     
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    It's considered derogatory, but carry on.
     
  3. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Section 5 is just the enforcement piece look at Section 1
    Section 1 below
    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Section 1 needs to be changed in order to deny anchor babies citizenship. That is the part that grants anyone born here citizenship.

    This is not a liberal left conservative right wing issue. This is an issue of what is in the 14th amendment. Read no digest Section 1 .
    All that Section 5 does is grant Congress the fight to enforce. So go enforce it.
     
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  4. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    But if a White guy uses it against a White guy is it racist?
     
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    You sound like a great guy .
     
  6. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Then there are no good days because the birthright is not denied to the children of illegals because of Sction 1 of the 14th amendment

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
     
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  7. FatBack

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    Not all whites are Irish. Many times it is used, it is not meant politely.
     
  8. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    No you are wrong this is the Section 1 of the 14th amendment

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    Change this to disenfranchise children of illegals.
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    But all Irish are White.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Feel free to point out anything I misunderstood.
     
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    Wow, that would take forever. I dont have that much time.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Adorable. White flag accepted.
     
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    25th Amendment

    Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

    Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

    Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

    Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

    Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.


    Get back to us when you actually figure out what in the hell you're talking about. Christ on a cracker... :roll:

    Unless, of course, it was a Freudian slip, and you were actually thinking about removing an utterly ignorant, incompetent and criminal President who doesn't understand the Constitution or laws he swore to uphold... :roflol:
     
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    So a slur is only derogatory if someone from another race uses it? I guess that is why the 'N' word is OK but only if you are black? Seems a bit exclusionary, based soley on race, alone.
     
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    It does nothing of the kind.
    It most certainly is.
    Not in the least.
    I'm plenty familiar with it. You, OTOH, are clearly oblivious to the meaning of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in the context of the provision.
     
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    Congress only has the authority to enforce the amendment through legislation; enforcement responsibilities of the legislation lies with the Executive Branch, aka Trump.

    Congress CAN clarify and/or define what 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' means in Section 1.

    OR Trump can execute the amendment and determine anchor babies of illegals aren't citizens, as that is a policy that hasn't been vetted.

    And I don't want to hear another damn thing out of you until you read the original text of the Wong Kim Ark case. There is no such thing as birthright citizenship for those here illegally.

    If you REALLY wanted to learn something, you can go read the Civil Rights Act of 1866:

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States;

    The 14th Amendment was made because of the Civil Rights Act of 1866.
     
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    They always seem to forget about that second part, don't they? It's like they have no friggin clue what it means.

    Libs: born here = abracadabra, you're a citizen.
     
  18. Phyxius

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    The concept and legal precedent comes from a SCOTUS decision pre-dating the 14th Amendment: The Exchange v McFaddon (1812)

    Chief Justice John Marshall wrote unequivocally that aliens are subjected to the jurisdiction of the sovereign where they are found, reasoning that “it would be obviously inconvenient and dangerous to society, and would subject the laws to continual infraction and the government to degradation, if (aliens) did not owe temporary and local allegiance, and were not amenable to the jurisdiction of the country.”
     
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    Everyone is familiar with the fringe nativist armchair theory you are peddling. It has nothing to do with legal realities here in the US. Yes, if you are born her, abracadabra, you're a citizen. Liberalism has nothing to do with it.
     
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    So goes the fringe nativist theory that has no grounding in history or legal precedence. Here in reality, Congress discussed the fact that this Amendment would apply to the children of immigrants and were well aware of that fact when they passed it. The idea that it was only ever meant to apply to freed slaves is a factless xenophobic daydream.
     
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  21. rcfoolinca288

    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    NO, it's not a misinterpretation. Trump can try to create a court case, but it won't go anywhere.
     
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  22. rcfoolinca288

    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We know what the Constitution is even if you don't.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nonsensical flamebait post. Is that what righties are reduced down to these days?
     
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    Trumpers are all about "we already have it, screw the rest of you." If it wasn't for the Constitution, many of their ancestors wouldn't have been a born citizen.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it seems you are the one who don't understand the 14A. Jus Soli. Look it up.
     

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