Trump renews threat to end ' rediculous' birthright citizenship

Barak was born in Hawaii to a US Citizen and his father was a non-citizen.

 

What are we talking about? Birthright citizenship

The question is do you support the elimination or restricted to say children of citizens and permanent residents (green card)?

 

And he only gets his citizenship from his place of birth due to the laws at the time not from his mother which is why his place of birth was of concern.

 

The law at the time granted him citizenship through his mother, it was different at the time of Obama's birth and his mothers particular situation, her age and how long she had lived within our borders, came into play, he had to get it from his place of birth.

 

No.

All we need is a determination of what "subject to the jurisdiction of" actually means.

 

I like how you referred to them by what they actually are: "mexican" babies.

 

It makes as much sense as someone breaking into your house, having a baby, and then it being your child.

 

Immigrants are subject to our jurisdiction. Even the illegal ones. If you can be held for trial here, you are subject to our jurisdiction, no matter how desperately the alt right tries to peddle sophistry to the contrary. Again, I'm familiar with the fringe nativist armchair theories. They have no bearing on reality.

 

A nation is not a privately owned house. As analogies go, this one has somehow managed to be found well beneath the bottom of the barrel.

 

Of course it is.

It is owned collectively by the people who inhabit it in the same way a house is owned collectively by the family that lives there.

That's the point of having borders. America is our private property.

 

Illegal invaders are not subject to any rights under the Constitution. They should be sent to Gitmo.

 

No they're not.

That's why we deport them to the country that has jurisdiction over them.

Our laws being enforced in our borders on everyone who might break them does NOT mean we have jurisdiction over the PERSON.

 

If that's how badly you have to torture the analogy to try to get it to say what you want, fine. Keep playing word games. Here in reality, Congress was well aware that this Amendment would apply to the children of immigrants and plainly said so. The basement theories of xenophobic theorists have no bearing on reality. They became citizens the same way you did.

 

It's not torturing anything.

That's why we have laws against illegal entry into both buildings and countries.

And no, nobody in my family intentionally hopped a fence going into contractions in order to get a welfare check.

 

Walking across a border, even illegally, is not an invasion. And while you may live in an alternate universe where they have no Constituitonal rights, here in this reality they do. We live in a country where rights are recognized as inherent, individual, and personal, not as gifts granted the benevolent mother state.

 

Maybe you can show us where in the Constitution the right to illegally enter our country is located.

Sure, other than that's the definition of invasion.

in·va·sion
/inˈvāZHən/

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noun
noun: invasion; plural noun: invasions
an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.
"in 1546 England had to be defended from invasion"
synonyms: occupation, conquering, capture, seizure, annexation, annexing, takeover, appropriation, expropriation, arrogation; More
overrunning, overwhelming, storming;
attack, incursion, offensive, assailing, assault, onslaught;
foray, sortie, raid
"the invasion of the islands took place in April"
antonyms: withdrawal

• an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.
  "stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans"
  synonyms: influx, inundation, inrush, rush, flood, torrent, deluge, stream, avalanche
  "every year the valley suffers an invasion of cars"
• an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

 

Children of permanent residents even if born here should be considered US citizens if and only if both parents are legal permanent residents. If one is illegal then no , no citizenship for you. That may seem harsh but we need to tighten things up.

 

Except that wong’s parents were legal US residents when he was born

 

Yes we need to tighten it up even if by an Amendment which may not be necessary.

 

The language of the 14th states otherwise. Too bad you don't like it but it have been the law of the land more than a hundred year.

 

Congress was well aware?

Well, let's see what Senator Howard of Michigan had to say about that:

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/n...tend-to-leave-certain-people-out/95-610042411

Sen. Howard said that "this will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."

 

It's never been challenged.

 

For bonus fun, you can read this and watch the Republicans fighting for equal rights for prior slaves, and Democrats trying to stop the 14th amendment.

Fast forward to 2019, and Democrats are fighting to make sure that their new class of illegal alien slave labor is protected.

Some things never change.

https://www.facinghistory.org/reconstruction-era/congress-debates-fourteenth-amendment

 

This has no relevance to what I said.

 

You don't want to look up Jus Soli because it simply won't suit your narrative. So much for understanding this amendment.