Can Trump oder US companies out of China

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  1. Josephwalker

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    Trump says he can and gives legal basis for it. It will be interesting to see how this plays out and it does look like he has legal standing to issue this order. If we are officially at war with China now even though it's just a trade war it seems not to different than when US companies were ordered to stop doing business with Nazi Germany. Life's never boring with Trump in the Whitehouse.

    "Trump fired off on Twitter, declaring American companies “are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China.” He later clarified that he was threatening to make use of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act in the trade war, raising questions about the wisdom and propriety of making the 1977 act used to target rogue regimes, terrorists and drug traffickers the newest weapon in the clash between the world’s largest economies."

    https://apnews.com/be18b8619cde4658a418dda4f416968a
     
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    Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face ... classic shoot yourself in the foot move by Trump.
     
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    He can certainly make it very difficult for them to stay.

    YES. Trump is playing a long game on China.

    Once supply chains move out of China, it will be difficult to get them back.

    China flight is a severe long-term challenge for its totalitarian government, which relies on rapid economic growth and rising living standards to validate its dictatorial rule. The Chinese Communist Party has been scaling back the free market reforms that got its economy going in the first place. Now it props up its economy with outright theft of technology from American companies.

    The party is scrambling prevent further contracting from tariffs in their largest export market, the United States — and companies moving their supply chains outside of China.
     
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    No, Trump has no such power.
     
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    If he can order companies to not do any business with Iran, I can't see why he couldn't do the same thing with China as well. The question is: Would it be smart doing it?

    Let's however, think here for a second: Could you just imagine what would have happened if Obama had ordered companies out of China? There would have been unending screams of "socialist, communist, anti-capitalist, anti-business, destroying America" etc. Now Trump does it, who is hailed as a pro-business president, and the usual pundits cheer. You can't make this stuff up.
     
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    Trump has no constitutional power that roots his orders about American business in China.

    He has to defer to Congress, and he knows he does not have the votes.
     
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    Will he order his daughter to stop getting patents in China and business production with China? I think not. Will Trump stop getting his products made in China or any foreign nation? I think not. So in other words we have a man whose says, "do as I say and not as I do". My-my what a poor excuse for leadership...
     
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    You don't think the trade war gives Trump the power and that this move is a weapon in the war?
     
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    That's the debate. He says he dues have the power and specifies the legal authority behind it. He definitely has a leg to stand on here.
     
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    Then why has Ivanka not pulled her production lines in China?
     
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    He just issued this order so you don't know what she has or hasn't will or won't do. I would assume Trump would expect all businesses to seek alternative suppliers in a timely fashion. It's impossible for them to resource overnight
     
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    Yes, if he invokes the Emergency Powers Act. However, despite ordering companies out of China, he says he won't declare an emergency which would be necessary.

    Right now it's all authoritarian bluster.

    "I could declare a national emergency. I think when they steal and take out, and -- intellectual property theft, anywhere from $300 billion to $500 billion a year, and where we have a total loss of almost a trillion dollars a year ... in many ways, that's an emergency," he said.

    "I have no plan right now. Actually, we're getting along very well with China right now. We're talking," Trump said.
     
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    Which war? I didn't know we were at war with China. If Trump isn't careful however, we may end up at that place.

    That's the problem with Trump. He thinks we can only win if China loses. Zero sum principle thinking. That's something conservatives always accused liberals of. In reality, in a war with China, economical or military or both, the US and China both lose.
     
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    I think your right it's a shot across the bow and won't be enforced but if he wanted to he could
     
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    Trade war and trade is a weapon in this war
     
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    IMO, a lot of this is just tough talk to see how much China will bend. China has a couple of cards it could play, with the most damaging one the rare earths card. China controls 90% of rare earths worldwide. The US only has 1 rare earth mining site and the Chinese are invested in that, too!!

    I'm not even sure Trump wants to 'win' in the way he talks. If all that manufacturing came back home, inflation comes with it. With that, comes the increase in Social Security payments through COLAs, which are indexed to inflation.

    I'm not sure where the sweet spot is in all that, but he better be careful what he wishes for or he just might get it.
     
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    The question is, do we really WANT a US President to have that much power? Please remember, the power goes with the office, not the person, so a President Warren would have the power to demand US companies do anything that tickles her fancy without having to run it through Congress. Are Republicans really sure that's what they want.
     
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    Only Congress has the power to declare war.
     
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    I know he is really stinking up things here in the USA but I doubt the stench is reaching China????
     
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    A shooting war yes but we are in a trade war with China and they are playing hardball
     
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    Nobody thinks all manufacturing is coming home but spreading out our sourcing so China doesn't own us would be a good idea for national security and trade
     
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    Trump has law to back him up on this. Did you even read the OP?
     
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    So you want a President to be able to invoke the Emergency Powers Act on anything the press describes as a "War". The "War" on women's rights. The "War" on the 2nd Amendment. I'm sure President Warren or President Bernie wold love to have those kind of powers at their disposal.
     
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    Trump can do whatever John Roberts says he can do.

    Evoking the Emergency Powers Act is not possible unless there is an emergency. China existing is not an emergency. But the Trump Administration is one big four-year crisis in of itself. So John Roberts might buy it.

    He would be hurting a lot of people, though. He would be hurting his own supporters.
     
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    If he can do that, which I doubt, perhaps he should start with the companies he and Ivanka use to manufacture their signature items, like Trump's ties or Ivanka's line of shoes. All their stuff is made in China, so even the few who would actually buy them will now have to pay about 30% more for them due to Trump's latest tariffs, a concept he still fails to understand.

    How bad does the global economy have to get due to his utter incompetence before we enact the 25th Amendment?
     

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