Israeli air strikes target Palestinian group in eastern Lebanon

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  1. Margot2

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    The Qibya massacre is well documented. So is the Deir Yassin massacre that sparked the NAKBA.
     
  2. Iranian Monitor

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    Iran may lose but it won't be because of the adjectives and things you like to use to describe it. If it loses, it will be ultimately because catching up with the West takes time and Iran is not quite there. We are close enough to worry some, but certainly America holds a lot of cards to derail us on this path.
     
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    If Iran stop organize people to call for 'death to america', this can be a start:

     
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    Actually, you should perhaps listen to the videos you posted, and in particular, the comments by Iran's Supreme Leader. In those videos, and the speeches which come with English subtext translating the comments, you get the answer you are looking for.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You must have missed Hamas missiles being launched into Israel every day.

    As for your OP, did you know Gazans consider themselves Palestinians?
     
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    I recommend we say nothing to Iran until the dictators are gone.
     
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    Israel is claiming no injuries from Hezbollah's attack against its army base, which suggests to me that Hezbollah should continue where it started. And then some. Small, limited, responses to Israeli aggression don't work.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-anti-tank-missile-fired-at-northern-israel-from-lebanon/
    IDF: Hezbollah fires anti-tank missiles at army base, ambulance; no injuries
    Israel returns fire with 100 artillery shells, striking team that launched missile and other targets in southern Lebanon; Hezbollah takes responsibility for attack
    [​IMG]
     
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    Although I am confident Benjamin Netanyahu would not be running his mouth as much if Hezbollah didn't seem so constrained by inside political forces from hitting Israel hard, for now the best bet is that neither Hezbollah nor Israel will want to escalate things. But that will be only a short respite and eventually we will see the Israeli back again trying to test Hezbollah's resolve.
     
  9. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe. The Angry Arab believes that Netanyhu may want a very dirty war in order to be re-elected and what is more he thinks it may bring Israel worse humiliation than 2006.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2019/08/30/the-angry-arab-israel-bombs-the-middle-east-yet-again/

     
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    Gaza is sort of a big concentration camp. Most Gazans weren't born there. They were forced out of the West Bank and the Negev by the Israelis. Yes, they are Palestinians with a history over 2000 years old in the region.
     
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    What do you mean, sloppy unethical journalism?

    'Richard Sale was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize, with his entry given a National Press Club Award for ‘excellence in diplomatic reporting’ in 1989. He has been reporting on intelligence since 1977. Sale’s book, ‘Clinton’s Secret Wars,’ was selected by the History and Military Book Clubs and Book of the Month'
    https://truthout.org/authors/richard-sale/

    Unnamed sources?

    'Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.'

    'According to former State Department counter-terrorism official Larry Johnson, "the Israelis are their own worst enemies when it comes to fighting terrorism." '

    Read it again.
     
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    The film, 'Occupation of the American Mind' illustrates this excellently if you've not seen it.

    https://www.occupationmovie.org/
     
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    I don't care who Richard Sale is, or how many prizes he won. He didn't tell when, where, and in what circumstances did Anthony Cordesman say the words attributed to him. The purpose of giving sources is to make it possible for the reader to check up on the information in the article. I can't verify this information. That's an unnamed source in my book.

    There was no Hamas until 1987, by the way. Oh, and Sheikh Yassin has seen the inside of the Israeli prisons twice, first as the leader of Mujama al-Islamiya when a weapons cache belonging to his charity was discovered in a mosque, then as the leader of Hamas, but your acclaimed Sale is trying to sell us a very different story.

    Sloppy unethical journalism.
     
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    Interesting, the links to that source appear to have been removed - in two separate articles. Nothing new here. I remember when I put a link to Morris in which he said the vast amount of massacres in the 48 war were committed by Israel. When I went to look to put it in again it was gone.
     
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    Israel has taken lying to funny lengths!

    After the recent retaliatory attack by Hezbollah, Israel claimed it suffered no injuries or damage. Netanyahu even said that none of Israel's soldiers suffered so much as a scratch! Later, video emerged showing an Israeli APC destroyed by Hezbollah (which the Israelis had tried to pretend was an ambulance!) and also 2 Israeli soldiers being evacuated to a hospital by helicopter covered in blood after Hezbollah's attack. Israel then claimed the Israeli soldiers were just pretending to be injured and were covered in tomato juice, to "fool Hezbollah":)

    I just watched a report on BBC's Persian service and even they were incredulous about these claims by Israel, showing a crowd from Lebanon going to the border region where they could still observe plumes of fire from Hezbollah's attack against the Israelis while also seeing that Israel's "retaliation" had aimed at empty lots of land and nothing else.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-s...-of-wounded-troops-from-apc-hit-by-hezbollah/
    IDF staged evacuation of ‘wounded’ troops from APC hit by Hezbollah
    Psychological warfare tactic was apparently designed to convince terror group it had retaliated
    sufficiently for recent Israeli strikes, when in fact it had not caused casualties
     
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    The firebombing of the oil refinery in Haifa in December 1947 certainly came out of the blue. There had been no conflict in Haifa. Its especially effed up considering that the Zionists went on to whine about the loss of oil from Kirkuk.

    The Haifa Oil Refinery massacre took place on 30 December 1947 in Mandatory Palestine. It began when six Arabs were killed and 42 wounded after members of the Zionist paramilitary organisation, the Irgun, threw a number of grenades at a crowd of about 100 Arab day-labourers. These Arab day-labourers had gathered outside the main gate of the then British-owned Haifa Oil Refinery to look for work. Minutes after this Irgun attack, Arab refinery workers and others began attacking the Jewish refinery

    Haifa Oil Refinery massacre - Wikipedia
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haifa_Oil_Refinery_massacre
     
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    Here is some information written by a Jew extremely critical of Israel in 1986. Israel appears to have had a long time interest in supporting the most repressive Regimes in Central America

    She then goes on to speak about Israel's relationship with South Africa. This I think is more common knowledge.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180307-how-i-became-an-anti-israel-jew/

    The article is by Marika Sherwood a survivor of the Budapest ghetto. She was very shocked at the political stance Israel took.
     
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    Here is some information written by a Jew extremely critical of Israel in 1986. Israel appears to have had a long time interest in supporting the most repressive Regimes in Central America

    She then goes on to speak about Israel's relationship with South Africa. This I think is more common knowledge.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180307-how-i-became-an-anti-israel-jew/

    The article is by Marika Sherwood a survivor of the Budapest ghetto. She was very shocked at the political stance Israel took.
     
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    Those missiles were a response to the bombing of Damascus and Israel was expecting it. You know, Assad said that he would ask Iran to leave if the US leaves. So what are we doing there?
     
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    I read yesterday that Israel had dummies in the cars instead of soldiers. So did they kill dummies, or did they kill soldiers? :confuse:


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    Who knows?
     
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    THE JERUSALEM POST:

    NETANYAHU: MONEY TO HAMAS PART OF STRATEGY TO KEEP PALESTINIANS DIVIDED

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended Israel’s regular allowing of Qatari funds to be transferred into Gaza, saying it is part of a broader strategy to keep Hamas and the Palestinian Authority separate, a source in Monday’s Likud faction meeting said.

    Netanyahu explained that, in the past, the PA transferred the millions of dollars to Hamas in Gaza... The prime minister also said that, “whoever is against a Palestinian state should be for” transferring the funds to Gaza, because maintaining a separation between the PA in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza helps prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

    https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-...-strategy-to-keep-Palestinians-divided-583082
     
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    What I was getting at was what Norman Finkelstein explained in his work The Holocaust Industry, that many Jews who were still alive at the end of the war proclaimed themselves as 'holocaust survivors' even when they had never seen the inside of a concentration camp, just so they could benefit from that 'victim status'.

    Then we see this:

    'the perpetrators of an alleged robbery and hate crime, and not the victims, as they had claimed'

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/cana...ng-hate-crime/ar-AAGmn4g?li=AAggNb9&ocid=iehp
     
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    Hezbollah attacked an Israeli military base and destroyed an Israeli APC. I can't comment on the Israeli casualties as the Israelis would know best, but obviously a couple of their soldiers got injured as they were evacuated by helicopter covered with blood and taken to a hospital. Because Netanyahu knows he can't afford a real escalation and, despite his earlier warnings, it is no position to seriously retaliate, he tried to downplay the effectiveness of Hezbollah's limited response to earlier Israeli aggression. But in the process, the other stories from Israel are simply ridiculous. The idea that they wanted to pretend soldiers were injured so Hezbollah wouldn't escalate its attacks is belied by the fact that Israel was the one which was yelling out that no Israelis had been injured from the outset -- and the fact that they are the ones who tried to pretend the pictures of the Israeli soldiers being evacuated were to "fool" Hezbollah in thinking those were injured soldiers. If you want to "fool" Hezbollah to think you have suffered injury, you aren't going to be then claiming such silly stories!
     
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    In 1981, Yacov Meridor, chief economist co-ordinator of the Israeli Cabinet, said, 'We are going to say to the Americans, "Don't compete with us in South Africa, the Caribbean or any other country where you can't operate in the open. Let us do it".'
    - Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi, The Israeli Arms Connection: Who Israel Arms and Why, Pantheon, 1987

    Israel helped apartheid South Africa to develop nuclear weapons, and was a 'conduit' for American arms despite a UN embargo. The South African military used Israeli Uzi and Galil weapons, and its armored vehicles were mordernised by Israel. Israeli kibbutzim even manufactured helmets for the apartheid police. 'Israel is a source of inspiration for us,' said Prime Minister Vorster.

    In Central America, Israel and the CIA armed and trained the Nicaraguan Contras, and the Guatemalan death squads, and the fascist military in El Salvador. Between them, they left at least a hundred thousand dead. Little of this was reported.

    John Pilger, Freedom Next Time, Chap.2, The Last Taboo
     
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    Yes, now I see what you mean.

    The case that really burns my gizzard is Tania Head:

     

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