Trump ended the rule blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fo...strictions-after-shootings-trump-ratings-down
Fewer, although still a sizable 67 percent majority, favor banning assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons.

I dunno what CNN posts about these %. But you know. It probably isn't any "better".

 

You might want to look up things like the Puckle gun.

 

While I respect history & precedent, I don't think America should ever be constrained be either. Regardless of the 2nd Amendment, or American rights to own guns, the mass murder rate has gotten beyond any sane American's level of tolerance, & something must be done to alleviate that sickness. The NRA & gun enthusiast's policies of reducing gun restrictions has obviously not worked, so it's time to try something different. No rights to gun ownership should ever be permitted to accept the killing of innocent fellow Americans as the price necessary for keeping & maintaining those rights. Clearly, there are individuals in America incapable of honoring those rights along with the right to life, simultaneously. Those individuals are calling the shots for us all in this issue. We must create policies that deal with these realities. Our top priority must be to stop the innocent killings. It's becoming increasingly clear that requires more restrictive gun laws coupled to increased, & more effective enforcement for those new laws. Those who abuse our gun laws along with the lives of our fellow Americans, are forcing us to re-evaluate the parameters of those Constitutional rights--something we have both the right & obligation to do. The killing must stop--whatever it takes to accomplish that. The lives of innocent Americans should & must take precedence over the open interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

 

You claimed all guns were single shot and even the concept of more was past the founders...

Right off the bat you were wrong so why should i bother reading the rest?

The murder rate has been trending down.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-u-s-murder-rate-is-up-but-still-far-below-its-1980-peak/

 

The murder rate has been climbing & now equals annual totals equal to several of our major wars over a period of years. We lost about 58,000 Americans in Vietnam in a 10 year war. Today, we're losing about 40,000 Americans to gun violence right here in America every year. That makes us the most violent country in the world--& the most dangerous to live in. That's insanity. But it can be fixed, & the gun lobby needs to step aside & allow that to happen.

 

Wait wait trending up from what?

Oh damn you are one of those who counts suicides along with the homicides no wonder there is confusion on your side.

 

Well, why haven’t you proposed an amendment then? You seem to think you have 2/3 of the country behind you. What are you waiting for?

And yes, you would need an amendment.

 

It appears you are right regarding the total murders committed in the U.S. overall. they have decreased recently. But I'm wondering about the number of mass shooting incidents, which appear to be increasing substantially over time. That's what I was referring to in my post.

 

No one in America is talking about need.

It's the serfs over in Europe who always talk about need. Serfs are not allowed to have a gun unless they convince their lord that they need it.

Americans are free. If we choose to have a gun, we go buy one. Need does not enter into the equation.

The victims would be just as dead if they were killed with different weapons.

 

Not at all. Statistics are very clear that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

 

Claustrophobia and anorexia are not justifications for depriving people of their guns.

All they do is defend our civil liberties.

Full auto weapons have been tightly controlled for the past 85 years.

The internet is quite different from an 18th century printing press. Does that mean that Trump gets to censor political opinions on the internet?

Full auto weapons have been heavily restricted for the past 85 years.

Unconstitutional. There is no compelling government interest to justify such restrictions.

AP ammo has been restricted for the past 33 years now.

Only if you count suicides.

And homicide victims would be just as dead if they were killed with a different weapon.

Not even close.

 

That is incorrect. Adding pistol grips to rifles does not cause a single murder.

That is incorrect. The fact that there is no justification for the restriction means that the restriction violates people's civil liberties.

Being an AR-15 does not say anything about the size of the magazine that is inserted into it.

An AR-15 with a five round magazine inserted into it has only five rounds in the magazine.

A different sort of gun with a 100 round magazine inserted into it can have 100 rounds in the magazine.

Well, there is the fact that I am referring to the actual definition.

Assault rifles:

a) are capable of either full-auto or burst-fire

b) accept detachable magazines

c) fire rounds that are less powerful than a standard rifle, and

d) are effective at a range of 300 meters.

Note:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle#Characteristics

Here is an article showing that pump actions produce aimed fire at a rate similar to a semi-auto:
http://www.americanhunter.org/artic...ction-shotguns-be-as-fast-as-semi-automatics/

People can provide an actual justification for restricting access to full-autos.

 

1. Yes, but behaviors threatening or inflicting violence, or a history of such tenancies should be.
2. If that's all you see the NRA doing, then you're conveniently seeing only a small part of the picture.
3. Then those weapons being used that are capable of shooting 21 people within 30 seconds, as in Dayton, should be added to the list of weapons being controlled.
4. No one is using printing presses to slaughter innocent Americans in the streets, bars & Walmarts.
5. Then how are murderers getting them to use to kill innocent Americans?
6. What about repeated mass murders?
7. Then how was it used by the mass shooter in Las Vegas last year?
8. Fine, alter the statistics, but that doesn't change the concerns I have for those innocents slaughtered by gun enthusiasts & white supremacists.
9. Yes, but don't we need to control every way we can to prevent such tragedies instead of simply brushing them off as if they didn't mean anything to us?

 

Don't you think that there would be a "furor" if DC v Heller was overturned?

 

That's not what Trump blocked though. Trump blocked a regulation that was aimed at people with claustrophobia and anorexia.

That is all they are doing. Unless you want to count their gun safety classes.

Any gun that has a large magazine inserted into it is capable of that.

The principle that our civil liberties continue with modern technology remains the same.

The only mass shooting that I'm aware of that could be characterized as using a full-auto would be the Vegas shooter's bump stocks, and those have now been outlawed.

Semi-auto actions are not the cause of these mass murders. A pump- or lever-action rifle with a large magazine would be just as deadly.

I haven't heard anything about him using armor-piercing ammo.

If he did use AP ammo, it reduced the number of people that he killed, because AP ammo punches straight through leaving a narrow wound.

Perhaps. But that would not justify restrictions that don't do anything to reduce the tragedies.

 

No matter how minor it is?

It wouldn't be a "life-crippling restriction" for everyone obviously, but it would be a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS restriction for everyone. Would you also say that farmers who require guns for their livelihood should be restricted from having them if they had a mental illness?

Are you saying that people should have instruction before they can own a gun, just like a pilot has to have instruction before they can fly?

 

If you've gone to a doctor, it's not minor, particularly not with mental illness.

How do farmers require a gun? My uncle ran a 1000 acre farm for 50 years and never owned one nor would permit them on the property.

Screw the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, besides not really being there these specific rights aren't worth 10,000 lives a year and I'd much rather have a right not to be bankrupted by a minor injury than to own something I've never had.

Yes, extensive instruction and ongoing monitoring, also insured. If you want to be a "good guy with a gun" I want you to instructed well enough not to shoot me dead for opening my lighter, (which actually happened here not more than 5 years ago and the guy who did that was a COP. )

 

How do you define minor medical condition?

To shoot pests and predators.

He must have been in an area where pests and predators didn't exist. Lucky man!

What do you mean "bankrupted by a minor injury?"

Is there a way for you to fly a plane without endangering lives?

Can you link to an article about this story?

 

If you have to go to a doctor, it's not minor
He used well constructed and maintained buildings and fences, along with traps.
A broken wrist can cost you close to $5000, if you don't have insurance and go to an ER
I've talked to people who are pilots. All of them say that most people who drive cars can safely fly small airplanes with only minimal instruction. Landing is the hard part but most people can do that too.
It will take some time to find. It was over 5 years ago and there are so very many shootings to look through

 

If I go to the doctor for a flu, that is not minor?

You don't actually think that all farming contexts are identical do you?

And how does that relate to the subject of guns?

In ALL weather conditions?

I actually came across a 'cop shoots guy with lighter' story from this year! https://www.apnews.com/e3a73743f74a49838efc7e80764316a7

 

No. Contrary to gunnies belief most all of us don't subscribe to Guns and Ammo, aren't in the NRA and think the Sandy Hook massacre really happened

 

Are most of you in the pro-choice MOVEMENT?

 

No, the flu is not minor

My uncle maintained that farm animals, particularly milch cows, would be upset for the entire day if even one shot was heard. That was why he didn't permit hunting.

It doesn't but health care is a right that is actually usable by most of us.

I'm not talking about rivaling Amelia Earrhartt, just puttering about on a lazy Sunday afternoon. Even experienced pilots have to be rated to fly in bad weather, but gunnies want people with mental health issues given what amounts to combat weapons.

I found that too, it's not what I was referring to, This was in Baltimore, about 5 to 7 years ago, and was a guy who shot several people because somebody flicked open a Zippo.

 

I am aware of the polls as to how many people support abortion rights.

 

An amendment takes more that 2/3 of the people. It also takes most of the State Legislatures, and they are owned lock, stock and barrel by the NRA