Feminist activist in Iran sentenced to 24 years in prison for removing hijab.

There are great discussions around the issue of mass shootings, but what with the constant coverage and all it's easy to forget you that they are still incredibly rare, even in the US.

For comparison, the annual rate of children suffocating to death in refrigerators manufactured before 1954 is about 1/100th that of mass shooting deaths.

I agree though that these mass shootings, way off the charts even relative to nations with legal semi-automatics and concealed carry, are indicitive of a broader problem in American society.

 

it happens about every day in the US, that some gimp uses a weapon to kill.

yeah well. There probably a lot more car accidents as well. Point is, that weapons kill. It is what they are designed to do. A car or a fridge are not designed to be like that.

 

According to Amnesty International, Iran is second only to China in the number of official executions, and, since China has a much larger population, Iran is number one in per capita executions - 507 in 2018. The United States, with four times the population of Iran,
had 25 executions in 2018.

 

And the US has the most people behind bars, % wise per capita, and also in absolute numbers.

 

And as for the rest?

 

Right in my post of course.

 

As the female Iranian MP

First, your figures are wrong. In 2018, 273 people receiving the death penalty in Iran, overwhelmingly for drug offenses.
https://www.euronews.com/2019/02/26/iran-executed-273-people-in-2018-says-human-rights-group
Iran Executed 273 people in 2018 says Human Rights Group

Second, a new law in Iran has dramatically cut down the number of people who face the death penalty, with those numbers now halved.
https://theowp.org/capital-punishment-roughly-halved-following-2018-iran-drug-law-reform/
Capital Punishment Roughly Halved Following 2018 Iran Drug Law Reform

Third, Iran has Afghanistan and Pakistan as neighbors on its eastern border - countries which are the center of the cultivation, production, and distribution of the world's poppy supply. The fight against drug traffickers from these countries, sometimes complicated by their alliance with terrorist groups supported by outside forces, takes a huge toll on both Iran's treasury and in terms of the lives of law enforcement people. The world should be thankful to Iran for what it does, because we ultimately protect not just Iranian kids from these people, but cut off their overland supply routes to Europe and elsewhere.

http://iranpress.com/en/iran-i135598-iran_seizes_75_of_the_world’s_illicit_opium_iranian_official
Iran seizes %75 of the world’s illicit opium: Iranian official

Fourth, stop reading from the sources you do. They aren't helpful in making you understand Iran.

 

Amnesty International says that Iran executed at least 567 in 2016 and at least 507 in 2017 (Wikipedia). I mistakenly put
2018 instead of 2017. No figures were available for 2018. I don't dispute that many of the executions are for drug violations.

 

Since Iran is a closed society without a free press and with the government controlling the flow of information, how would
anyone know how many people they have in prison? Also bare in mind that many types of criminals that are put in prison
in the USA are executed in Iran, especially drug offenders.

 

And none of them for wearing a cloth on their heads.

 

Iran is nothing like the society you imagine or the one your sources such as the "New York Post" want to project. As long as you don't get even the basic factual data and statistics wrong, as you do all the time, I certainly can't change the underlying propaganda. But go ahead and believe as you wish. And say as much of it as you want.

 

And pretty much none in Iran either, no matter what you like to pretend is the reason for the case highlighted in the OP here. The law for failing to observe the hijab in public no longer even results in arrests in Iran. And that law, even in the rare cases that resulted in actual prosecution, provides a jail sentence of '10 days to a maximum of 2 months."

 

It appears prosecutors can still go after them with a creative interpretation of other laws.

 

What you call creative interpretation, is the actual reason a person like the one in the OP was arrested. You might not like the reason, but it is about following the footsteps of a larger movement directed from outside to use the hijab to protest against the regime. And doing it even after having already been convicted for the same thing before, where a light sentence didn't appear to work.

 

Yes, there are lots of bad things about iran.... and north korea.... and russia. But after agreeing about that ..... then what?

 

Actually, there are a lot of bad things everywhere. But when people are allowed to peddle propaganda without much regard for the truth, the real danger they represent is not just to a country like Iran. It is to your own ability to have a system that is not corrupted ultimately by lies, attempts to cover them up, and all the people in all the positions that need to be promoted and demoted to make it all work. Most of you don't realize how badly America's system is corrupted.

But if you lived in Iran, or simply spent any time in Iran, you would quickly realize it. Why? Because there is no way the reality you observe can be aligned with the lies you hear from media that is supposed to be free and telling you something resembling the truth. Sure, those stories and reports which cover Iran in greater depth from often the same media, don't project the lies as much. For those intended to be trained as specialists, a slightly more realistic picture is necessary. But for the average American, the entire picture that is formed is simply outrageous!

This is a video from rallies connected to Iran's last presidential election, some of its slogans, and the comments by people in Iran about it. This is not a "closed society" by any means. If anything, because there are 100+ satellite networks that beam into Iranian households with what be considered (at best) "dissident" voices and messages (and, typically, foreign propaganda), Iranians (unlike Americans) actually get to see a lot more diversity of views.

There is so much wrong in America itself that I simply don't get even the pretense of supposedly trying to fix anyone else's issues!!!!

 

I wanted to add this to my last response: if Iran truly imprisoned people for not observing the hijab, our prison population would probably even dwarf yours!

Iran, a country that borders the centers of poppy production and distribution in the world in Afghanistan and Pakistan, has enough headaches dealing with its own drug problem, and its judiciary and law enforcement already swamped as it is with such cases and those involving traffickers who would be taking those drugs ultimately outside of Iran, to have even the remotest inclination to become what you guys like to say.

But, yes, if you are going to try to deliver the punches America's "maximum pressure campaign" intends, then obviously some of the attention and focus will be put on that fight as well.

 

Who was your post directed to?

 

no idea what you are talking about

 

The rest of my reply. I repeated it in another reply: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...removing-hijab.561260/page-16#post-1070965066

 

Do you apply the same standard to ANY rule of any country?

 

You're changing the goalposts now. You were talking about mass shootings! Although, I can't blame you, considering that you would've been hard pressed
to cite an example of a government executed mass shooting! Anyway, was it barbaric government policy or a barbaric human act which led to that death you refer to?

 

No idea what you are trying to say .. but I suspect you are trying to wander down some rabbit hole.

 

LOL. That would be egalitarianism! I'm really surprised that you didn't know what I was referring to!

 

According to Amnesty International http://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/01/irans-year-of-shame-more-than-7000-
arrested-in-chilling-crackdown-on-dissent-during-2018/ "Over the course of the year, more than 7,000 protesters, students,
journalists, environmental activists, workers and human rights defenders, including lawyers, women's rights activists, minority
rights activists and trade unionists, were arrested, many arbitrarily. Hundreds were sentenced to prison terms or flogging and
at least 26 protesters were killed. Nine people arrested in connection with protests died in custody under suspicious circumstances."

Famous cases involving people who died "under suspicious circumstances" while in Iranian custody include Iranian/Canadian
photo-journalist Zahra Kazemi who was tortured to death in Evin Prison in 2003, and blogger Seyyed Sattar Behesti who was
beaten to death, also in Evin Prison, in 2012.