Britain, France and Germany blame Iran for attack on Saudi oil fields

Yesterday, Sept. 24th, Britain, France and Germany issued a joint statement saying they
believe Iran was responsible for the attack on the Saudi oil facilities on Sept. 14th. They said,
"it is clear to us that Iran bears responsibility for this attack. There is no other plausible
explanation." The statement is significant because France and Germany have been reluctant
to blame Iran for any of the previous incidents such as the limpet mine attacks on tankers.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/ World -News/2019/09/24 Britain-France-Germany-blame-Iran-for-Saudi-oil-attacks/7921569301238/ Iran has blamed the attacks of her Houthi rebel
proxies in Yemen, and has denied responsibility like she has done in the previous attacks.

I have repeatedly said that the US does not want war with Iran - and the Iranian government
knows this. That is why they have dared to make these provocative attacks. They know we
won't retaliate - at least not militarily. Iran has a powerful military, including an army of 400,000, and sophisticated air defenses. They know the US is war weary, and our military
is over stretched. A land invasion of Iran is out of the question, and air attacks are not likely
to be decisive. Let us hope with Britain, France and Germany now condemning Iran she will
stop her attacks.

 

If is was Iran I most definitely would not be afraid of Germany, France and the UK. Do you really think there is any teeth in their bark. They most definitely do not have a fight in them.

 

Your link said nothing on this. Yes, I heard Raab say enthusiasticly when someone acted like they believed it was Iran in our recently opened Parliament 'Yes, there is no other plausible explanation'. That is not proof. That is spin. There are already at least three other suggestions made including the Houthis taking responsibility.

Listening to Raab for the Brits talk today it would seem they all want a return to the JCPOA and Raab like Macron wants to use Iran's vulnerable position to demand more - basically to demand that Iran has no ability to protect itself and must become an impotent poodle following its masters. He also suggested that Iran was wanting to separate the International Community, not believing that it could be a possibility that they unlike what they want to do to Iran, have any sovereignty and individual thought. I guess Raab is feeding Macron's ego and possibly Germany is agreeing, not wanting more disharmony with France in the EU and possibly concerned at possible future wars if Europe and the US/UK drift apart.

In Europe well certainly in the UK this is also a distraction from Brexit or Brexit is a distraction from it - not sure which way round that is.

 

I'm fairly sure that the UK, Germany, and France are much more intelligent than going to war in the Persian Gulf.

 

This is a video showing Macron and Johnson almost pestering (albeit jovially) to convince Rouhani to meet with Trump, which he didn't.

 

Rouhani gave a pretty good speech at the UN General Assembly. His last sentence was unnecessary, and there was one comment in his speech that I felt was not wise, but the rest was fine.

 

GREAT!
Maybe they should include too for all their significance!.


Now let Britain, France and German do more than talk.
How about funding. Let their citizens feel the taxes too.
How about military resources. And their blood, bone & lives.
How about not hiding behind for their security.

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And if Trump hadn’t violate the treaty non of this would have happened.

 

Iran now wants the nuclear deal back again and a reduction in sanctions.

 

Was NOT a treaty. Learn was a treaty is. If Obama wasn't so incompetent then this wouldn't have happened.

 

The Iranians want it back.

 

I don't understand your comment that my link "said nothing on this." the quote "There is no other plausible explanation" came
directly from that link. The commentary about the US not wanting war is my interpretation and was not in the link. The Houthi
rebels took responsibility for the attack, but the US, France, Britain and Germany don't believe them. They are Iran's proxies,
they are depend on Iran for weapons and aid, and pretty much have to say whatever Iran tells them to say. Even if it was
the Houthi, it was Iran that supplied the drones used. But, I don't think any of the nations mentioned have the nerve for
war with Iran. More likely, there will be French, British and German support for more sanctions.

 

There was no treaty!!!!!!

 

It is a UN Treaty which the US signed in collaboration with many other countries in the world. There was a get out clause so the US did have the ability to get out but along with that get out clause was one for Iran to start building her nukes again. The US sees one law for itself and one for the rest of the world because it believes it can destroy the rest of the world if it wants and has given up on International law which prevented World War since world war 2.

 

Not when I clicked through. I just got through to a page of links to other stories but in particular not to the one you were talking about. I assumed it was a link to changeable stories and had changed by the time I clicked.

well there was nothing about anything concerning this on the link when I got there. I know the US does not want war because the US is well aware that war will send the ME on fire. As Iranian Monitor is saying it is a game of chicken. However now that the US has sunk so low it is going to stop Iran being able to even purchase medicines or food, the US is into the old medieval game of trying to kill the people of Iran if they do not do what she wants so it is chicken but with the added bit from the US that it is intent on genocide.This has never been done since the UN was invented and is against all International Law but the US no longer goes by International law.

Whether they believe them or not is irrelevant. The UK and France are choosing to go with the US and presumably they have convinced Germany not to go against this. It has nothing to do with what they believe. Evidence is what is required and evidence has not been produced that it was Iran.

Again there is no evidence for this. On the contrary prior to the US's decision to help the Saud's destroy the country of Yemen and kill we do not know how many people but the UN has now been saying it is the worst humanitarian catastrophe in the world - worse than Syria for some years.

The Houthi do not follow Iran,. They are not Iran's proxy. They will though if it comes to it be there with Iran when the US is completing its desire to destroy strong countries in the ME to allow Israel to control it.

This is total nonsense. When civil war broke out after the Saud's and friends organised it so that Yemen did not get democracy and had a Dictator organised by the Saud's ( there was an election but he, chosen by the Saud's was the only choice) when this then led to civil war in Yemen, the previous president went on the side of the Houthis who then had access to the weapons of a very large section of the Yemen army whose weapons were supplied from the US. The Houthis had no need of Iranian weapons. In addition, the plan which the Houthis was following was the one they wanted not the one Iran wanted. To give you one example. Iran told them not to take over the Capital and get rid of the old government. The Houthi did this anyway having been convinced it was the right thing to do by previous President of Yemen - that President was a US stoodge. The Houthis are not a terrorist group. They are the people of North Yemen fighting for their country. Obviously they are subject to violence from the United States and Saudi Arabia and indeed Israel. The United States, Saudi Arabia and Israel are also threatening Iran but the Houthis are fighting an outside aggressor for their own country. Nothing to do with being a proxi. This is just propaganda like calling them terrorists when they are fighting for their country against outside enemies who are attacking it for wanting democracy.

Hearsay. If you are suggesting that if the Houthi used weapons supplied from Iran to attack an outside aggressor who is destroying their country and annihilating its people and has caused the worst humanitarian disaster in the world, then you should also be wanting to destroy the United States because the Houthis have been using weapons supplied by the United States.

How come you are only interested about an attack that killed no one and have not one care in the world about the massive number of the people of Yemen who have been murdered by this outside attack by the US/Saudi Arabia, Israel and the UK. Is it that to you oil is the only important thing in the world and the mass killing of civilians and destruction of their country by outside aggressors, the US being one does not matter. You are certainly not arguing on any moral premise. Just power and your wants.

sanctions? When you have got to the point that you are sanctioning a country from getting food and medicine, have previously not allowed aid into said country when going through a natural disaster what are you talking about? You already have Iran on a genocidal siege of old. You are after killing the civilians of Iran. The US is a cowardly tyrant. When it knows it cannot beat a country by war it goes straight in to kill the civilians. You are doing the same in Venezuela.

The UK government is a sick one. The courts have just stopped it ending the Parliaments right to act. The UK will follow Trump to the depths of hell under this Government. France too it would seem. I am sorry to see Germany has also decided to follow this.

 

Almost everything you said is right on point. The only thing you should realize is that the US will not be able to cut Iran off from food or medicine. Iran is largely self-sufficient in both areas. Some items which Iran imports will become much more expensive and scarce, hurting some vulnerable people suffering from certain diseases and causing even more problems for Iran's poor. Overall, however, as president Rouhani mentioned at the UN, Iran's economy (while suffering on the sanctions) isn't remotely like those economies which had been build on dependence on outside and isn't suffering nearly as much as the US likes to pretend.

 

The UN has no jurisdiction over the U.S. Constitution. Messiah Obama signed an executive order and Trump wiped his ass with it, as is allowed by the laws of the U.S. The U.S. never entered into any treaty with Iran. Get over it. Furthermore, even if there was a legit treaty...which there wasn't....Iran breached the agreement within months of its signing in the first place. Why is it that people are so damn gullible when dealing with these savages?

 

US is part of the UN and the UN Charter establishing the UN and its structures (including its decision-making organs such as the Security Council which give the US veto power) are a treaty signed and ratified by the United States Senate.
https://www.politico.com/story/2010/07/senate-ratifies-united-nations-charter-july-28-1945-040299

 

I hope so though I don't think this is the same for Venezuela.

 

Obviously the Iran Nuclear deal would involve the reduction in all sanctions that have been introduced since the US went rogue on it. What are the other sanctions? I am sure I have heard Iranian Monitor saying that not all sanctions had been lifted. I am guessing it is these. That obviously is the only fair resolution to get Iran to give up on getting nukes. I guess it is back to that. If you want Iran not to build nukes then you go by the treaty it took 12 years for several countries to make - the JCPOA - though there should be some compensation for the US going rogue on it and forcing other countries to do so - possibly that will be the ending of the $ as reserve currency - that would not help Iran itself but would be a punishment which fitted the crime.

 

Oh Margo with respect to my previous reply to you I have now checked it and what it is is that Iran is only willing to discuss a return to JCPOA after sanctions have been lifted. Sounds fair to me.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-talks-macron-johnson-un-latest-a9119216.html

 

I think we can see why the UK is up to this - it has surrendered British Sovereignty to Israel
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/...-military-exercises-over-northeastern-england

Next they will be sending our police to Israel to learn how to kill civilians protesting after Brexit.

There has been an enormous smear campaign against the leader of the opposition because this all stops when he is elected.

 

Depends which news report you read..

 

Trump acted unilaterally because he hates and envies Obama. Its NOT about what I want.

 

Yes it does. Fox news says all kind of things which simply are not true. Clearly to get the people of the United States intent on destroying Iran.

Where I see the main difference is that some people, the US are claiming that he said he would accept changed if sanctions were dropped and others say he is willing to talk about the deal if sanctions are stopped. You are the only person who I have seen claiming

It was not Iran who stopped the Nuclear Deal. They never wanted it stopped. It was the US who went rogue. Mind you having watched some of the fox news story I can understand why the people of the US have such wrong views given the information they are being given. It is as bad as believing in the British Parliament.