Susan Collins' vote for Kavanaugh

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Blah, blah, blah and more blah.

    You would not know the meaning of "activist" if it bit you on the arse.

    These judges name dabove are center-Left on a SC that is majority center-Right - including one jerk who should not be sitting there at all (Kavanagh, nominated by the nation's First Jerk). ...
     
  2. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What makes you think that?

    The Supremes should be even-handed in their political outlooks, but they are not.

    This court is and has been Rightist for the past 15 years. You've got blinders on ....
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And so is political-ignorance of the factual evidence (in the US)! You get yours at Macdonalds?

    Healthcare is central to lifespan, and lifespan is key to a long and healthy lifestyle. "Key" but not the sole quality. Income Fairness is yet another.

    And neither does the US have that quality in abundance. Fourteen percent of the habitants are forced to live below the Poverty Threshold - that's close to 40 million men, women and children.

    On earth and in the US. Maybe on your planet it's different?

    Anyway, you are oblivious to the factual-evidence in the matter of America's Income Disparity and how bad it is - so have a lonnnnngg look here. The rich get richer and the poor can go to hell, where they are already ...
     
  4. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where you live, yes. Where I live (in the EU) it is very definitely a governmental priority provided by national healthcare services.

    Which is why Europeans have longer lifespans that we Yanks. They live four more years than most Americans.

    A fact of which you are evidently oblivious ...
     
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  5. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sez you, without the slightest bit of argumentation.

    You'd do better on a Message Board. This is a DEBATE forum ...
     
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    Sorry

    But those are dumb ideas not worth discussing
     
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    Flawed as she is I cant think of any liberal democrst clone of you that would better than collins
     
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    Oh yeah...and just what is so dumb about them?
    I see people complaining all the time that politicians are too extreme this or too extreme that...
    that all the sensible moderates are getting pushed out of office and that we're being left with the fringes...
    that independents are railroaded, and come election time, the choice of candidate in the general is always between bad and worse!
    And yet when a solution to that is brought up, not only do you not want to discuss it, but seem to suggest that it shouldn't be discussed...
    Why is that? What is your rationale?? Do you even have one???...

    -Meta
     
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    What you are suggesting is a modified form of parliamentary government

    Which does not interest me
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, you only call out one side. "Republicants" I see abuse of power on both sides. That would make you the blind one.
     
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    What makes you characterize it like that?

    Its certainly not based off parliament just going off the dictionary definition.
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parliamentary government

    Especially since I'm in no way suggesting a change to the three-branch structure of our government at all,
    with a house, senate, president, and judiciary. Just a change in how a few those members get selected.
    i.e. Using Ranked voting to pick them rather than our current Two-party-centric Plurality method, in order to give moderates, third-parties, and independents a fair chance at winning assuming they have support from the voters.

    Is there some other similarity between that and parliamentary government that you were referring to???

    -Meta
     
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    Lets see...
    Ruth Ginsberg doesn't believe in the U.S. Constitution.

    Sotomayor laughed about herself that basically admitting she legislates from the bench.

    Kagan, she plays violent video games and is always looking down at her i-phone when walking across the street against a red light.

    Kagan also J-walks.
     
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    Just because you're not moderate doesn't make you an extremist. Most would describe themselves as either liberal or conservative but the minority moderates would appear to wield more power as the vote is generally considered secure for the others so the moderates are the ones who need be swayed.

    I think the politicians we have generally represent their districts. Unfortunately once in office in can be difficult to go against your parties wishes. And that includes these elected as independents as they caucus with one of the parties.

    Moderates do and can win within the current system and I believe at a fairly proportional rate and as I've shown including those who are unsupported by either of the parties.

    We have a representative government which is based upon persons elected with the values representing their districts.

    People generally favor those elected from their own districts even if they don't like the overall selection of candidates. A representative form of government has proven itself to be superior to other political methods.
     
  14. LafayetteBis

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    More empty blah-blah-blah.

    You'd be happier on a Message Board. Here is "supposedly" a DEBATE Forum ...
     
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    We all see abuse where WE think it is.

    And that does not mean one has the right to print such "supposed abuse" with a one-liner in a DEBATE Forum.

    That is not "debate". It is pure and simple public orneriness ...
     
  16. LafayetteBis

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    Silly excuse.

    THINK harder ... !
     
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    You have yet to show us any debating.
     
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    You are free to point someone out

    But if you could you’d already have done so
     
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    I remember when C-Span had a public forum but back in the early years of the WWW, it was called a message board.

    Remember when the Politico had a public forum ?

    There were no moderators so it was complete anarchy at its best.

    But Politico.com deactivated the forum back in 2012.

    Then one year later they scrubbed the forum's archives.
     
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  20. LafayetteBis

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    And so ... ?
     
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    My God quoted for truth. Hear hear! Non biased, factual, informative. Sigh was a time pre president Trump you'd see many moderate posts like the above around here
     
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    Today seems to be a perfect day in SoCal to go fishing or putting a few hundred rounds down range.
     
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    I do agree that the very small part of the voting public (between 35 and 45% in any given year for the presidency) are "fickle". Most people could not give a damn, except here in this forum, because they don't vote at all. They pretend to have voted.

    That's because they have no foundation in Civic Duty that instills voting as a duty. It's all about the "business of politics" whether local, state or national ...

    Historical Voter Turnout:
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    The poor and very poor, it seems, could not care less ...
     
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    Yes, lot of the working poor, and the very poor are apathetic, but there are more obstacles to voting as one's income drops and they will impact these numbers.

    Although it gets good press, I am not sure that 'civic duty' ever inspired many voters to follow through. Voting is a habit that you are accustomed to, or you are not accustomed to. That habit is borne from passion, or from a sense of self interest broadly defined Young people by definition have not established the 'habit' so their passion or self interest is residue from what they saw from their parents. Now that those parents express more and more of their passion through internet interaction in lieu of interpersonal interactions with neighbors, friends, co-workers or family less passion will be evident to their kids.
     
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    Indeed there are ... in the US.

    In Europe, all you need to vote is your ID-card - and a registry address (that everybody has in order to have free Healthcare).

    And most voters DO VOTE in Europe. Maybe it is because of WW2 and the great misery it brought to most of Europe ... ?
     
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