Alan Dershowitz Explains Why There’s No ‘Possible Criminal Conduct’ In Trump-Ukraine Story

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  1. HB Surfer

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    Nah... Clinton skates and becomes Warren's running mate.

    Biden goes down and in desperation tries to get Abrams or Harris to be his running mate, before the primaries are even over.

    That is my theory. I think this was all done to take out Biden and knock Trump down so he is damaged just enough to not be able to nominate RBG's replacement.
     
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    :bored:

    There is no ABSOLUTE Requirement (in the US Constitution) that a "Crime" is required for Conviction and Removal.

    If 2/3rds of the Senate Agree on an Article (whether or NOT it involves a Statutory Crime) the person is removed. Period.

    Once again, quit making stuff up.:smh::bored:
     
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    You trump held up military aid and sent his lawyer to shake down Ukraine to damage himself? Odd theory
     
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    ^^^ Trying to take the word "crime" out of "High Crimes".... it's hilarious. Did you read your own post Einstein? Let me highlight the part that is tripping you up .... somehow????

    Do you see it???? The word "CRIME"??? Suddenly a "High Crime" is not a "crime". Maybe you can help us with the definitions of "IS" "ALONE" and of course "SEX". :roflol:
     
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    Many of Trump's Misguided "Defenders" are (obviously) hideously misinformed about The Constitution.

    "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" does NOT Necessarily have to be a per se "Statutory Crime".

    ^And, Everybody KNOWS That.

    For the UMPTEETH Time:

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    Keep pretending. Find a definition that agrees with you.

    The word "High" refers to the office and not the offense. Indeed the offense may not even be a breach of criminal statute.See Harvard Law Review "The majority view is that a president can legally be impeached for “intentional, evil deeds” that “drastically subvert the Constitution and involve an unforgivable abuse of the presidency” — even if those deeds didn’t violate any criminal laws."
     
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    More Epic FAIL? :roflol:

    You obviously are Egregiously Misinformed as to the Historical Interpretations of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors".

    [​IMG]

    Time to get up to speed. :salute:
     
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    Read Line 1 of my signature...
     
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    Here you are again... totally not understanding the difference between "Impeachment" and "Removal". They are two separate actions. Once is taken by the House of Representative and the other by the U.S. Senate. There is NO REMOVAL without a CRIME.

    This is pathetic that you Leftists are even trying to argue the point on "Removal".
     
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    Everybody KNOWS that.

    At this point, it seems to be a Waste of Time to further engage in talking in circles with someone who won't accept REALITY.
     
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    You honestly think Hillary will physically let another woman become the first female president? If your scenario happens, Warren will be suicided within a month
     
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    I am not discounting that event. Hillary can't let it go. It's about power. She will forfeit 1st woman if she can get back to power. Biden is just roadkill at this point.
     
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    Keep up. The compliant was based on hearsay.
     
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    You are Absolutely WRONG.

    If 2/3rds of the Senate Vote for Removal, the person is removed. Period.

    ^The Article of Impeachment Does NOT have to be based on a Statutory "Crime".

    If you can't accept REALITY, then there isn't anything more that anybody can do (or say).
     
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    1. Hold up aid?
    A US diplomat ( I forgot his name) was interviewed a couple of days ago about the military aid. He asked Trump to expedite aid. Trump told him he wanted the Europeans to contribute also. They had not.

    2. Asked a favor?
    Trump is in charge of US foreign policy. He can ask a favor from a head of state and the head of state can say yes, or no. Thank you for referring to this as a favor and not a demand, or blackmail.

    3. Personal Lawyer?
    He can send his lawyer if he wants. Roosevelt had Harry Hopkins as his emissary. Wilson had Colonel House. Nixon sent Kissinger to China on a secret mission.

    Foreign affairs are not the job of second guessers.

    PRESIDENT TRUMP was elected to conduct foreign affairs. He does not need your vote of confidence to do it. He'll need voter confidence next November.
     
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    You clearly do not know how Removal works in the U.S. Senate. Crime(s) MUST be cited. You're in Bizarroland with you ridiculous claims. Who told you these things? Why do you ignore Article 2, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution?
     
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    You better stop right there with reality. Sharing this with Leftists does not go well.

    You are right across the boards of course, well done.
     
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    How is Edward Snowden doing these days?
     
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    lol... I see what you did there.

    I don't even think this person qualifies as a "Whistle Blower" should this go to court. The President of the United States is not covered under that statute. Also, he didn't even commit a crime, so double nothing burger with cheese.
     
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    So trump didn’t hold up aid?
    Didn’t send his personal lawyer to get dirt?
     
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    1. Europe has given more than us. And that wasn’t his original answer or what he told congress.
    2. A favor to get their military aid
    3. How many of the people you named were govt employees?
     
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    While my political philosophy is not completely aligned with Dershowitz, I have significant respect for his opinion on Constitutional interpretations. What I noted in his comment above, assuming it is an accurate representation, is he doesn’t argue about impeachment, but whether Trump committed a criminal act. The house might provide the senate articles of impeachment (not as likely as many might think/hope), that doesn’t mean the Senate will convict... to remove a president from office the Constitution defines four very specific possible charges, any one of which, under which he can be tried... conviction is another thing entirely and without directly commenting on a Senate trial, Dershowitz’s assessment of there being nothing criminal that can be attached to Trump, a senate conviction is unlikely. Then too, while many might think a Senate’s conviction is final, might forget, there is the prospect of appeal.
    At this point, despite the hype, the hope of bringing impeachment articles by the House is likely to do two things, first, result in the collateral damage to Biden (probably intended) and Hillary, and second, result in a backlash in 2020.
    For a myriad of reasons, I believe the Dems 2020 election chances are in jeopardy. I believe the core driving Dem strategy sees the push for impeachment gambit as a strategy to divert and distract from reveals that will be coming from Barr’s investigation on the origin’s the Russian Collusion Hoax, Comey’s and other coordinated actions to influence the election, Hillary, the DNC, and other questionable activities in 2016. While Trump is certainly a target, I think Dems know it is highly unlikely that Trump will be removed from office, but are hoping to taint him with American voters while simultaneously trashing Barr to blunt in advance any investigation findings. In poker terms, the Dems are down in the chips and going all in on a bluff.
     
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    Yes, but there must also be 'High Crimes and Misdemeanors' involved.
     
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    Thank you for sticking to your guns and contradicting what WITNESSES have said.

    It confirms that President Trump was right to ASK --with no strings attached,not like Joe Biden-- that the new president of Ukraine to look into this. The Ukraine president confirmed this this week in Washington on camera.

    Again, thanks.
     
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    So you're relying on the opinion of a pedophile are you. That's the best you buys can do?
     

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