Support for impeachment jumps in new poll

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  1. Andrew Jackson

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    Yes. Tulsi is on-board.

    You just blew that RW "talking point" (...But...Tulsi...) out of the water.
     
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    He was already "Toast". Guy can't even remember what planet he's on. This didn't crush him, he never stood a chance.
     
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    An 18-month investigation by The Hill's John Solomon disputes that.

    Mr Solomon didn't just click a convenient story on the internet. He spent 18 months going to the Ukraine prosecutor's office, the Ukrainian embassy, the US State Dept. and reps at Burisma Oil before revealing his story.

    According to Solomon, Biden did in fact blackmail the Ukrainians to fire prosecutor Sholkin who was preparing the interview Hunter Biden . Prosecutor Sholkin recently made a statement in a European court that Biden did blackmail his country with a $1 billion loan to fire him.

    Biden confirmed what he did in what looks like an off-hand comment--on camera-- at a foreign relations seminar.

    "How to Blackmail Foreign Governments". That would have made an interesting topic there.

    Anyway, Since you're so adamant about your version of events, you have confirmed that PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS RIGHT to ask the new president of Ukraine to look into this.

    Thanks.
     
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    Okay dems put the vote on the house floor already and do it, otherwise we all know this is partisan BS. Did you all hear Al Greene, he said if we don't "impeach" him Trump will be reelected. How sick is that. You dems really don't want democracy do you?
     
  5. superbadbrutha

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    We know what his motives were.

    The IG seems to disagree with you.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/26/politics/read-icig-report-dni-whistleblower-complaint/index.html
    The declassified, partially redacted nine-page report alleges White House officials were "directed" to remove electronic records of the phone conversation from an internal computer system where the material is typically stored and instead the records were placed in a highly secure system reserved for classified information pertaining to national security matters.

    Yea the previous Admin had no need to try and hide material.

    Can you post anything other than a right wing blog proving Hunter is or was being investigated for tax fraud.

    Well we know for sure you damn sure don't have a clue.
     
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    John Solomon, a right wing hack.
     
  7. MrTLegal

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    Trump was right to ask the leader of a foreign government to investigate trump's domestic political opponent while simultaneously and unilaterally holding up hundreds of millions in military aid?

    Even if you believe your version of events, why should trump talk to the leader of a foreign government for that investigation instead of US investigative agencies like the FBI?
     
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    Sweet justice, this.
     
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    Another Trump frother is doing his monthly war dance

    This time the war cry is "hold up aid , hold up aid , hold up aid"

    Let's set the record straight for the umpteenth time.

    Trump did not hold up $400 million in military aid to Ukraine for an investigation into Biden blackmail.

    You can rest your feet.

    Why didn't Trump send the FBI to the Ukraine to investigate blackmail instead asking the new president of the Ukraine to do it?

    Have you ever heard of national sovereignty?
     
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    As the latest "pretext" falls apart, like all the ones the before it...
     
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    Impeachment is no noble effort in search of truth, justice, and the American way. It's simply a Machiavellian power grab. A coup.

    I hate liberals, leftists, and Democrats.
     
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    If you get away from FOX you will find they are going to do both.
    Go home to explain to voters and continue hearings.
     
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    Pssssst! 43% is less than 50%.

    Your hero John Kasich said that nobody is talking about impeachment in the heartland.

    It looks like your impeachment thingy isn't catching on with the American people.
     
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    There is no way a 5 minute transcript takes 30 minutes in translation. Plus there are 3 ellipses (...) in key places showing something is being edited out.
     
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    Well how long did it take you to read the transcript???
     
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    Where exactly did Biden brag that "he stopped the PROSECUTION." That is Tramp's PARODY of Biden, but unlike Schiff who announced to all that he was paraphrasing, Tramp was not honest enough to say he was paraphrasing!!!!!

    TRAMP: Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution
     
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    Got to love those 99 vote polls. I have a better 99, and it's not Problems.
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  18. MrTLegal

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    Why do you believe Trump held up 400 million in military aid while he simultaneously requested that a foreign leader investigate his domestic political rival?
     
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    Watching and caring are to more salient and different things.
     
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    The link I’d video has been repeatedly posted.

    Trump made no parody. He just highlighted the issue
     
  21. Pollycy

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    It is likely, in all truth, that both Trump and Biden will suffer irremediable damage as a result of this whole thing. I see Elizabeth Warren becoming, and remaining, the front-running Democrat candidate, and, she will be in a strong, credible position to defeat Donald Trump in 2020.
     
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    His reports were proven correct in the Russia Hoax.We are just waiting now for the IG report and other investigations which will expose corruption in the FBIfor release pursue those who defrauded the FISA Court and lied to Congress.
    He didn't. It was the Trump frother I was writing to who did. I put him in his place.
     
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    The President has wide authority to classify pretty much whatever, but there's a very specific and explicit exception for covering up a crime or even just something embarrassing.

    The whistleblower alleges that the White House misused (and has been misusing in other instances that have not yet been made public) the classification system to cover up crimes.

    The real paradox of this situation is that the White House declassified the content of the phone call (edit: specifically the Situation Room summary, not a real transcript), meaning that (if there ever was a legitimate national security reason to keep the info classified) at the very least there is no longer a national security reason to keep the information classified. So what happened? Did something happen on Tuesday that made the information suddenly safe? Why was the information classified in the first place?

    To say this looks suspicious is putting it mildly. It's absolutely illegal for a President to use funds Congress appropriated for our national security to solicit election interference from a foreign leader. Unless the White House can come up with a good explanation for why this info was squirreled away, we're just going to have to assume that it was to keep the public in the dark about potentially illegal activity.
     
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    Permit me to preface my response to say you made some valid points and raised some fair questions that the President may be forced to address before this all over.

    Now, I'll begin my remarks by reiterating an important point you made that will be relevant moving forward: The President has wide authority to classify pretty much whatever.

    Which raises the questions of 1) what, if anything, qualifies as "misuse" and 2) did and could any "misuse" occur?

    I think there are several explanations that might "demystify" the situation. As you pointed out, the President has wide authority to classify pretty much whatever, and in this case I suspect he classified it simply because he could. There's also something to be said for the need to keep the phone calls between the President and other foreign leaders confidential. One of the unfortunate problems that has already arisen about this kerfuffle is that at least one foreign leader has expressed his concern over the prospect that the President won't be able to keep their phone calls confidential in the future.

    The second explanation is that Trump has had a problem with leakers from the very beginning of his administration, and that has obviously continued to be a problem for him (as it will for future presidents). Because of the prevalence and persistence of these leaks, the President may have deemed this was another reason to classify the call.

    As for why the President suddenly decided to declassify the call and its contents, I think he determined that it was politically expedient to accommodate the demands for the transcript of the phone call between him and President Zelensky.

    While this may look suspicious, and his opponents will do their best to make it look suspicious, there is no evidence that the President diverted any funds, and there's plenty of room to dispute that he solicited what has been characterized as "election interference". Finally, we don't have to assume that he kept the content of the phone call classified because he was trying to conceal any "potentially illegal activity", as you put it. Again, it's no surprise that some might perceive and portray it in a conspiratorial light, but it's equally unsurprising that others don't.

    In fact, we don't have to assume anything. We can wait till all the facts have come out and then determine what happened and perhaps why it happened. Furthermore, there may be additional questions concerning the so-called "whistleblower" and the investigation itself, but once again it's too early to determine that.
     
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