Will Trump be impeached or not?

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  1. I justsayin

    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    If he is impeached (not a certainty) I agree. The Senate will not convict.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    I bet that's what the Dems feel will happen. But what they haven't counted on is the voter don't give a #%$@!! All they care about is they want Trump and the Dems are trying to get him out. And it's too late now. They went for this process. It's started and they have to follow up all the way through. So this is so bad for them.
     
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    The link was The Five, a Trump-friendly soapbox on the Trump Network, or Fox News. That's some source.
     
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    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    Impeached? Almost certainly.

    Convicted? Not unless the Republicans grow a spine, but since there aren't any tines or velvet peaking through yet, I'm not holding my breath.
     
  5. Sandy Shanks

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    That is the pathetic excuse used by Trumpets who are unable to defend Trump, as is the case with this poster. Instead he focuses his attention on me. Like I said pathetic, and this guy wants my respect!

    There is a simple solution to all this for Trump supporters. Everyone makes mistakes, including me. I remember making one nine years ago. The simple solution is, admit you made a mistake voting for Trump. Quit making yourself look foolish, and come clean.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I remember Nixon’s people saying the same thing until open hearings were held every day for a couple months. Slowly but surely, GOP Senators started peeling off until they Sent Barry Goldwater over to tell him he was toast. Despite the spineless ass kissing nature that has been exhibited by GOP Senators thus far in Trump’s 3 1/2 years, secretly most are all just itching to get rid of this circus clown.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So....you don't like the source. So what? Your sources have their biases. A treaty is a treaty. If there is none.....prove it. There are other sources saying the same thing.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't need to point out to you the accomplishments of President Trump.....you have been a part of the "coup" for two years! This is the pathetic excuse used by commie globalists that are unable to defend their coup efforts and the corruption used to support them! Even before he spent any time in office!
    Note: I used the same backhanded way of describing your efforts as you denigrate others by calling them "trumpets". That is definitely fair play. Perhaps we should both refrain in the future.
     
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  9. Sandy Shanks

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    Trump wants to know who the whistleblower is, and the people who gave the person information are "close to a spy." "You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? With spies and treason, right? We used to handle them a little differently than we do now." In the "old days" spies were shot.

    Asked Monday whether he knows the whistleblower's identity, Trump replied, "We're trying to find out," A whistleblower's identity is protected by law, the Whistleblower Protection Act. President Trump is attempting to intimidate future whistleblowers. He considers them a threat to his regime.

    "His lies were made in perhaps the most blatant and sinister manner ever seen in the great Chamber. He wrote down and read terrible things, then said it was from the mouth of the President of the United States," Trump tweeted, forgetting that his appointee, I.C.I.G. Michael Atkinson deemed the whistleblower complaint "credible" and "most urgent." He also forgot that the phone conversation between himself and President Zelensky was provided by the White House as was the whistleblower's complaint itself. That should be warning to Trump, but it goes right over his head.

    Lawyers for the whistleblower sent a letter to the acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire on Saturday. It stated:

    "The purpose of this letter is to formally notify you of serious concerns we have regarding our client's personal safety," the letter says, adding that recent comments by Trump are reason for "heightened" concern.

    "The events of the past week have heightened our concerns that our client's identity will be disclosed publicly and that, as a result, our client will be put in harm's way."

    This is our President speaking.

    I want to meet not only my accuser, who presented SECOND & THIRD HAND INFORMATION, but also the person who illegally gave this information, which was largely incorrect, to the 'Whistleblower. Was this person SPYING on the U.S. President? Big Consequences!

    Please note, as mentioned, Trump never deals with the allegations directly. If he says something was a lie or the whistleblower got it wrong, he never explains what he is talking about. That alone is a sure sign of guilt.

    From a mental standpoint, is Trump okay?
     
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    If it were held today, who would he run against? ANY of the frontrunners would beat him handily.
     
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    Trump's supporters often complain that those who are critical of Trump's performance are trying to do an end run around the 2016 election. That Trump's detractors are attempting a coup, the removal of a duly elected President. Ignoring the absurdity of that assertion for the moment, have they ever considered that Trump may be responsible for the multitude of questions regarding his competence?

    Is Trump doing exactly what Putin wants him to do? That is a very good question considering the fact that the White House has been shackled during the 33 months Trump has sat in the Oval Office. Despite his party having control of both the House and Senate for the first two years of his Presidency, Trump has accomplished little or nothing. He has moved from controversy and scandal to new controversies and scandals throughout his entire administration.

    He is the least popular President in modern American history, his staff has an historical turnover rate and is now filled with sycophants, and there are even questions about his mental stability.

    Trump's close ties with Netanyahu while unilaterally proclaiming Jerusalem the capital of Israel has removed the U.S. from Middle East talks because the Arab republics do not trust him. Neither do Great Britain or France because Trump is unpredictable and unreliable. The U.S. has been replaced by Russia.

    Trump removed the U.S. from the Paris Accord to which there are 197 signatories.

    Because it was signed during the Obama administration, Trump removed the U.S. from the JCPOA which permanently barred Iran from making a nuke. He has been urging the Iranian leaders to agree to talks for a new agreement that permanently bars Iran from making a nuke. In the meantime, Iran has followed Trump's example and is in violation of the JCPOA. Our allies are trying desperately to save the agreement. Trump is threatening our allies' for their intentions.

    Trump has removed the U.S. from lucrative trade agreements, TPP, NAFTA, and has not signed one major trade agreement.

    Much to Putin's delight, Trump has weakened NATO with his constant jabs at our NATO partners. The recent G-7 conference went nearly as bad as last year's G-7 conference and there was no common statement of cooperation.

    Trump has threatened the vibrant American economy. Because of his trade war with China, even he is concerned about a possible recession as consumer confidence is dropping along with the manufacturing index. Trump's harsh tariffs cause inflation, and inflation causes recession. To illustrate all of this, the stock market has been treading water since January 2018. On Jan. 29, 2018, the Dow stood at 26,439. Right now the Dow is at 26,917.A gain of only 478 points in 20 months. It was below Jan. 2018 figure for most of August due to Trump's tweets.

    Questions about Trump's mental acuity have surfaced recently. Using a five day old NWS in predicting a hurricane's path Trump declared that Alabama "will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated." Everyone not named Trump knew the hurricane was going to turn north, missing Alabama by hundreds of miles. For a solid week Trump insisted that his faulty weather forecast was accurate.

    When that died out Trump said he was totally responsible for inviting the terrorist sponsors of Al Qaeda to a meeting at Camp David five days before the 9/11 anniversary.

    One day after Robert Mueller appeared before Congress to provide testimony regarding Russian intervention in our 2016 election on his behalf, Trump called the president of Ukraine to ask him to intervene in our 2020 election on his behalf!

    Is Trump doing exactly what Putin wants him to do? Should he be removed from office? The reader can decide.
     
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    It is hoped those who should read the above post, Trump's supporters, will do so and with great concern. However, I fear they will not. Their main excuse will be they are too busy to take three minutes to read the post. The real reason, however, is when it comes to Trump, they try to avoid reality. Others will use an unsaid excuse. Since they have shown inability to defend Trump, what is the point of reading the realistic post that illustrates Trump's incompetence?

    I hope I am wrong about this.

    Perhaps it is time to reassess their priorities. Well, Trump's supporters don't want to think about that, either.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    It seems folks think if Trump is impeached by Congress, and the Senate won't convict, the general public will see how awful the evil GOP is. The oposite is true. The general public loves Trump. And know this impeachment is bs. And the Dems are being exposed. This is too funny.
     
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    LOL okay.
     
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    Trump will not be impeached. A biased Shiff is not the impartial chairman to handle this. If he isn't removed as Chair, the Committees findings are worthless.
     
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    Trump was not dealing with a "whistleblower".....until suspiciously recent revisions, whistleblowers could only relate 1st hand accounts. The "Deep State" fixed that and prepared a well thought out part of "Coup 2". What Trump is dealing with is a CIA Leaker.
    Sandy.....you like calling those of us that are like minded "Trumpets". Actually that is not offensive. I can't speak for others but years before Donald Trump whooped Hillary's butt, I spoke out against illegal immigration. I often asked, "why isn't the government enforcing those laws?" I spoke out against large socialist programs like Healthcare supplied by government. I always felt Social Security was a "Ponzi Scheme". I have demonstrated against ending the lives of the unborn. It is a strong conviction I have always had. I am darn sure there are a lot of others just like me and we are grateful President Trump carries our mantle! We resist your efforts and those of George Soros and the deep state for a Silent Coup to overturn an American election.
     
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    You don't seem to understand, Sandy. We don't take time to read your spin. That is all it is. Your efforts failed with Russian Collusion, Justice Kavenaugh's debauchery, Stormy Daniels, and a hoped for recession. Your stance is, you are the enemy. We are at war ideologically. Your hoped for overturn of an American election is at odds with most.
     
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    Yes. He’ll be impeached but removal is another question. He’s becoming more unhinged by the day and as soon as Republicans realize he’ll throw each and every one of them under the bus to save his rear the light will turn on.

    Hell, Kevin McCarthy might actually opine about why he thought Trump was being paid by Putin.

    Impeachment could be good for this country: rocket fuel to clean up the systemic corruption.
     
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    Of course he is biased … as are ALL the committee Chairs, who are appointed by the majority party of each house.
     
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    and he will win re election
     
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    Ultimately, when all this is over, no matter how it ends up, there will be numerous studies. One of those studies will be on how this was not the way to impeach a president. I am not just referring to this last effort, but the effort which began before he took office.

    The democrats went into this with hatred. Trump defeated the anointed One. .Not only was Hilary the anointed One she was their anointed One.

    The democrats made it more difficult for themselves from the beginning. Here is my list of what they did wrong. You can disagree or agree or add your own reasons, but I believe I am somewhat representative of the republicans..

    They alienated the republicans. Rather than getting the desired support, they became the unchangeable opposition.

    Although most republicans voted for Trump in the general elections, most did not vote for him in the primaries. There were numerous candidates with their votes split. However, once Trump became the nominee, he became Their candidate. Once he was elected, he became Their president.

    For the democrats, he became an illegitimate president.

    From the beginning, republicans became "deplorables". The democrats decided that we had to pay. We were insulted endlessly. That pushed us more towards Trump. Trump was insulted continual with insults and names, some of which are to vile for me to even repeat which resulted in more of us coming to his defense. Many democrats on the board, only use insulting names. I can assure you that is not the best way to gain support. If your purpose was to alienate the opposition, you accomplished your mission.

    Normally, you wait until a crime is committed and then convict. From the beginning, the democrats looked for reasons to convict. Some of the comments I have heard are "We have got him now" and "We need to add more charges so we make sure he is convicted". Some are not merely satisfied with impeachment and removal, but want him to go to prison.
     
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    Few thought the Senate would convict Nixon at first.

    As public opinion changed. The Senate grew a spine and Nixon quit rather than take the chance of conviction.

    That could happen again.

    If Trump leaves office he may go to jail and i’m Sure he wants to jet ( off to Moscow?) on his own terms
     
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    My guess is trump will be impeached

    The libs have gone too far to turn back now
     
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    That was then.

    This is now.

    Trump will almost certainly be impeached. The votes are already there to do that.

    And McConnell is weighing the cost and benefits of pitching Trump over the side. So is everyone else in the GOP Congress and Senate.
     

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