I got to see the Joker today and it is a pretty good movie. A character study more than a super hero action movie. What I find interesting is that I keep reading of it being about an incel. Example: https://www.cbr.com/joker-movie-backlash-explained/ SPOILER: Joker at least appears to have a relationship with a young woman (May have all been in his imagination). He does not appear to have a problem with women and sex per se. My question: why all the concern about incels? Seems off the radar for this movie. As a society, are we reading into this? Why? Your thoughts?
The media loved it, they gave him a standing ovation when it first came out in.... I think it was Italy. Until they realized that the people that supported Joker were "Antifa types" that woudl ruin the narrative being used against Trump. So they struck, they used Rotten Tomatoes and god knows what else to try to act like the movie was violent and something about an Incel. Fake News, like almost everything else today
I thought "Joker" was a good flick. It's more of a drama than a comic movie, but I'm not complaining. It's a sad movie, and I often felt bad for the Joker. I think the critics pan it because they don't like the idea of people having sympathy for a straight white male, in my opinion. It's counter to the leftist narrative that only females and minorities deserve pity.
The problem is not incels but about making the story about anything other than the story. Hollywood got out of the entertainment business a long time ago and joined the MSM in their politically biased message mill. I find it disturbing how Hollywood has shaped our culture and how filmgoers are assaulted with political judgements. The world has always had it's problems and struggles and movies once allowed us an escape from the world for a couple of hours. Movies have become disconnected artless flickering images designed to shape opinions and mold the unwary,oblivious minds of adolescents. Even the theaters admit it's just a hook to sell expensive popcorn.
SPOILER WARNING ********************************************************* I did try to figure what is there for the Left to hate. This movie is NOT as good as the Killing Joke. While this Joker says he'd had a bad day, it is not the bad day that really makes him the joker. He is a mentally ill man for whom budget cuts resulted in his not getting medical aid. That's a Leftist warning: protect your social safety net. What I think they hate is that the Occupy Wallstreet types, rather than Joe Chill, create Batman.
My wife and I went to the movies to see Ad Astra and were surprised by the Law Enforcement presence at the theater. Whatever threat there allegedly was, it was being taken seriously.
I haven't seen it, but it sure seem to have triggered all the RWNJs here, so I might just need to make time to.
Be warned: this reviewer finds it to be a pro-Trump parable. While many reviewers have focused on Fleck as an "incel" hero -- his status as a sexless loner who turns to violence -- the true nature of the movie's appeal is actually broader: It's an insidious validation of the white-male resentment that helped bring President Donald Trump to power. "Joker," at its core, is the story of the "forgotten man," the metaphoric displaced and disenfranchised white man whose goodwill has been abused and whose status has been reduced. A man who has been crushed underfoot by the elite, dragged down by equality-demanding feminists and climbed over by upstart nonwhite and immigrant masses. https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/06/opin...rable-donald-trump-presidency-yang/index.html
Long-form film reviewers need to write about some deep intellectual or social meaning to the films they review to generate attention grabbing (and thus profitable) copy and it doesn’t really matter how much it relates to any real intent or valid reading of the film itself. Sometimes the cigar is just a cigar.
I don't think the movie "THE JOKER" should be seen by those under the age of 18 period! It influences violence with guns and shoot people up at will. We've see in the news about kids bringing guns to school to show off by those who want to thing they're tough enough to do so. There are those that use guns to use on their school makes at gunpoint for extra lunch money and other possessions. There are also those that will use guns to bully and sodomize those deemed undesirable which I consider uncalled for. Other will use guns for vengeance. I and everyone else have seen too much of this and this has to be stopped by writing to these Hollywood movie makers to stop this sort of violence and videogame people to stop this sort of violent games. This robs children of their innocence and create violent society in our neighborhoods and this is one thing we can do without. Kids that see this movie will encouraged to look for trouble wherever they can find it, and out our neighborhoods will end up like war zones. Is this what we need? I hope not. I remember the Joker on TV's Batman which wasn't that bad if you know I mean. Parents out there keep you kids from seeing this movie "The Joker" and tell them NO! if they ask to see it. PLEASE!
Spoilers!!!’ The only political nod I detected at all was regarding budget cuts in the city effecting his mental care. Not that it really made a difference since he told the social worker, “have you ever listened to me?” Its more a knock on how worthless the system is. Even Batman’s dad is hard to pin down regarding which side of the fence he sits calling people dead beats. All the leadership in Gotham is sort of corrupt. Sort of like Hillary calling everyone deplorable. I really didn’t get any hard political message. Anarchy is obviously wrong. Crazy people who murder others are nuts, even though the some people who were murdered, partly in self defense were mostly scumbags anyway. You felt empathy for him at first because his life really sucked, mostly to no fault of his own and you lost it once he snapped. Hard to feel sorry for him at all in the final act. He was just gone!!’ It was a very cool film. Would love to see a Batman spin off in that style.
If you mean an R rated adult Batman movie, that would probably be a good idea. DC already sucks at competing with Marvel, but with the exception of the Deadpool movies and Logan, Marvel has largely left the R rated stuff alone.
Read spoilers because I was worried about some stuff I read, but sounds like a decent movie without a political message beyond some populism
