End Affirmative Action. Yes / No & Why

You can call me "cynical" if you like; still, I notice that you did even attempt to refute one thing I said....

Still, I'd prefer to say that I'm just very, very OBSERVANT about what goes on around me than to allow myself to be force-fed by the hyperliberal, mainstream media. People who always want others to see the world through their 'rose-colored' glasses usually want others to pay for those rose-colored glasses, too.

You may not believe me, but I'm happy for your success in life. Truthfully, though, it must be admitted, I have NEVER know a public school teacher who was poorly-paid, had stingy employment 'benefits', or, a bad retirement situation. I can still remember fellow students I knew back at the Univ. of Texas who said, "Well, hell, I dunno what I want to major in... so, I'll major in Education and if nothing else turns up, I can always get a job teaching in the schools." And now, decades later, you can see what we've got to show for THAT....

 

Racism

 

Leveling the playing field for those who have been discriminated against for centuries and giving them special consideration. It doesn’t mean they aren’t qualified

 

I'm afraid that I don't see how one can have a "level playing field" while giving members of some ethnic groups "special consideration", aka reverse discrimination.

I feel that affirmative action does a disservice to the people it is intended to help (Blacks, Latinos etc) in that there will always be the suspicion that they got their position based on the color of their skin rather than their qualifications even if they are genuinely qualified.

Would you want your life in the hands of a heart surgeon or air traffic controller who got his or her job because of the "special" color of his or her skin or would you want your life in the hands of the best qualified individual for the job?

 

Sorry, @Renee ... I meant to say, "You can call me "cynical" if you like; still, I notice that you did NOT even attempt to refute one thing I said.... Fat-fingered the keyboard.

Anyway, you can continue to support the 'reverse-discrimination' disgrace of "Affirmative Action" if you wish. At least you in the Left teacher unions are consistent in your advocacy of this unfair, overbearing government advocacy for bald, blatant injustice. As long as this practice continues, RACISM WILL NEVER FULLY DIE!

 

So the teachers union is left. I guess it’s because those damn leftists like me didn’t want 45 in a class.Those leftists like me wanted children with special needs to get special attention. Those leftists like me and wanted to get a pay raise. Those lucky righties that arereqping the benefits, not to mention the future adults we teach.
I do refute the things you say but you come up with silly what ifs....so I don’t waste my time. You have no respect for education and there is no arguing with your belief. You don’t believe that you should have to pay taxes for schools because you don’t have children in the schools. I guess young people should protest having to pay Social Security when they’re not 65

 

How cliché'.

 

Getting special consideration is not reverse discrimination. It would be reverse discrimination if white males were denied access to the top colleges. It would be reverse discrimination If white men were told to sit in the back of the bus. It would be reverse discrimination if married men could not get credit cards in their own names. It would be reverse discrimination if men were not considered for jobs because of their race and gender.
Yes I have put my life in the hands of surgeons and air traffic controller’s who got special consideration because they were white males. Remember Harvard and Yale and Princeton and the top colleges denied women admission. White males were given special consideration for centuries So using your logic I have to conclude that those males were given special consideration and we’re not best qualified. I remember watching boys get into the special high schools in New York with lower averages then I had but they had the option and I didn’t. They did very well even though they were males getting affirmative action. Do you see them as inferior?
I think the prejudice comes in where you are making the assumption that minorities are not qualified. Do you think Colin Powell or Justice Thomas are not qualified? They were recipients. What about Ben Carson? What about Barack Obama? But then you have Donald Trump who got special consideration because of daddy.....

 

Renee, I know you don't believe much of what I upload.
But, I grew up in the fifties, in the Hollywood Hills.
My parents always seemed to associate with intellectual sorts
and many were women. One was an M.D. who went to Medical School
in Colorado.
Traditionally, The West has treated women equal way before the East did.
If more women did not become M.D.'s it was most likely their expectations of themselves for whatever reasons and went into nursing.
BTW Lee Marvin lived next door for a few years and my mother fed him.
Years later he recognized her in a crowd in San Francisco and ran up and hugged her.
Eddie Albert down the street welcomed "da Jews" . Hans Conried flew the U.N. Flag.
No Paparazzi.
I do believe the West was a different experience from your geography.

I remain impressed Black People avoid Orange County and prefer their
Black Neighborhoods in Long Beach and South West L.A. including Compton
featured in "Jackie Brown". California has had fair housing laws since
the sixties. So the persistence of these neighborhood is not enforced by
refusal to sell to a Black person.


I don't deny some had hurdles compared to some Bush
whose family gave major funding to Yale, and such.
Certainly, the Asians today face the same quota concerns as Jews did
decades ago.


So Where On The Map Are YOU
and your experiences?
Thank you.
Believe it or not.

 

Why do you assume they are not equally qualified?

What is so great about living in a white neighbourhood?

 

Not A White Neighborhood.
But, an Neighborhood.


YOU Liberals keep wanting to count and sub divide count
to separate
And @Sallyally ain't even



YES to aid to economically disadvantage who demonstrate aptitude.
NO to considering the applicant based on race, gender, sexual pref or whatever

 

Question is, why do you assume they are qualified, without any evidence?

It's not about assumption, it's about probability and the fact is with AA in place there is a higher probability your AA hire is going to be less qualified than another candidate you might have interviewed otherwise. Fact.

 

I asked first.

 

Why is a black neighbourhood not American?

 

And I answered. Still don't see an answer from you.

 

Answering with a question which is very similar to my question isn’t really an answer.

 

That's your opinion. I answered. The reason for the assumption if any were made at all is that it's more probable. So again, it seems you can't answer.

 

My guess, it appears to place an identity above American which is leading to tribalism, segregation, chauvinism and potentially racist bigotry. Can this ever be turned around? We can hope so.

 

Why is it more probable? Why do you think that the AA candidate would be less qualified than the non AA candidate.

AA was established to “level the playing field” for people who were disadvantaged solely because of their colour.
It was not to enable a disadvantaged person to leapfrog the process if he
were not adequately qualified for the position.
Unfortunately, there are people who will mutter that it’s because he’s black, she’s a single mother, or a migrant/ refugee that they get the job.

 

Personally, I don't assume that all beneficiaries of affirmative action are not equally qualified but I've had near lethal experiences at the hands of medical "professionals" who were so grossly incompetent that they could only have achieved & held their positions due to affirmative action.

No matter how you try to dress it up, affirmative action is racial discrimination.

 

It isn’t confined to recipients of Affirmative Action.
There will always be incompetence lurking somewhere.

 

Yes, I agree that there will always be incompetence somewhere but one is more likely to find incompetence exhibited by people who are entirely unqualified for their position.

 

When you make the exception the rule, I do have a problem… Even in California which very well might have been more liberated, I will take your word for it. But when you make it sound like women had the same opportunities because your mother’s friend was a doctor, it defeats the argument. Why do you suppose women went into nursing? The doors were pretty closed to girls in medical schools and girls were programmed to be nurses, secretaries, teachers or get a husband.If you grew up in the 50s you certainly should have known that.
Also denying that white people didn’t flee when black people moved in is another denial.
I have lived in New York City most of my life and as a single woman I lived in Greenwich Village a hotbed of activism. I became involved in the women’s movement in the 70s and obviously my consciousness was raised differently than yours. I admit I became angry when I realized how much I was discriminated against because of my gender and hadn’t realized it I taught in inner-city Brooklyn my entire career ..(euphemism for poor minorities) Started as an English teacher ended up developing a curriculum in prejudice awareness which I still do with teachers and high school students. ..all over the country. Where in California do you live now? It would be interesting if I got a speech out there and we met
I remember telling my students how I couldn’t apply to Stuyvesant high school and other top high schools because I was a girl and they said, “you must’ve been so angry” I had to explain to them that I wasn’t angry because my consciousness wasn’t raised and I wasn’t aware and just accepted it. But let me tell you...they raised my consciousness about racism.
Do you remember not being able to get a credit card if you were married even if you had a job? Do you remember lists of jobs for women and jobs for men in the newspapers where women were paid so much less? I can go on and on but sexism and racism also internalized in our society that unless we become aware of it it will still go on

 

Yes.

It's racist and sexist.

 

Re:

When that "special consideration" is actually preferential treatment based on race, creed or color, it is, indeed, discrimination.

Of course wrongs have been committed in the past and, less frequently, still occur, however substituting a wrong headed policy of the past with a similar wrong headed policy, today, is counterproductive and only serves to exacerbate already strained racial tensions.

No, I do not think that Colin Powell, Justice Thomas, Ben Carson or Barack Obama are unqualified but I can certainly think of several likely beneficiaries of AA who are uniquely unqualified & impossible to fire.