'How dare you': Greta Thunberg tears into world leaders over inaction at U.N. climate summit

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  1. a better world

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    Did you miss it?

    "The perception has been there are limited sites for pumped hydro around the world, but we have found hundreds of thousands,” said lead researcher Matthew Stocks, PhD and Research Fellow at the ANU College of Engineering and Computer Science. “Only a small fraction of the 530,000 potential sites we’ve identified would be needed to support a global, 100 per cent renewable electricity system. We identified so many potential sites that much less than the best one per cent will be required".
     
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    Where does the money come from ???
     
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    Where's the link ?? .Never mind:

    https://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/anu-finds-530000-potential-pumped-hydro-sites-worldwide

    The premise is ridiculous. Look at the map.
     
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    Again you fail to answer ?? The EPA stated that implementing the 2.5 micron particulate requirements would be the same as finding a cure for cancer from which ~ 600,000 people die each year in the US. And you can't supply one name ??
     
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    Did you miss it? Ex nihilo.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/france...and-banks-dont-write-about-them/#4dfbff42e693

    "Under double entry accounting, creation of a new loan asset requires creation of an equivalent liability. This is the new deposit that is created with every loan. Thus, when BigBank lends $90 to a customer, it creates a new loan asset for $90 and a new deposit for $90. This deposit is created “from nothing” (ex nihilo)".


    Now (to allay your undoubted concern about inflation): if miners and schools double their outputs during the transition from filthy fossil to clean green, funded by central bank deposit creation, the economy's output increases proportionally; hence there is no change in the price of money.
     
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    The cumulative effects of exposure to poisons are very real... but carry on smoking if you wish...and living in high density traffic sites in cities. Good luck for your long term health.
     
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    "much less than the best one per cent will be required".
     
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    Where does the money come from ???
     
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    Name someone who has died from 2.5 micron particulate.
     
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    What is that number ?? Two dams are required for each location plus a massive pumping station and associated piping. Who pays for all that ??? What is the environmental impact ???

    You want poor African countries to pay for all that instead of coal fired power plants ??? That’s immoral.

    The premise is ridiculous.
     
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    c.5000.

    Already addressed many times in this thread now (I won't be addressing your ignorant/ideological "pay for" concerns again).

    Much less than the impact of the development and operation of the filthy fossil industry (including pollution, accidents etc)... and after completion of the transition, none at all.

    Actually it would be good to see the big miners contributing to Africa's development (with foreign aid where required), replacing the plunder of Africa's fossil resources by greedy fossil drlllers who keep the profits for themselves and leave behind a polluted local environment.

    Nigeria: Locals in Niger Delta feel abandoned by oil giants



    It certainly is.
     
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    Name one of these projects which has been initiated.

    Your "filthy fossil" industry has brought more people out of poverty than any other energy source. The real hockey stick is the graph showing human welfare skyrocketing after the production and widespread utilization of fossil fuels began.

    And again you cannot name one person killed by 2.5 micron particulates ??? Why not ?? The EPA actually uses 2.5 micron particulates for tests on human beings. If they actually believe their "research" which they refuse to fully disclose and which has never been repeated then why are they using 2.5 micron particulates on humans ???
     
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    It doesn't come from anywhere. It is created from nothing. Banks in the US are generally allowed to loan out 10x more than they have in deposits.
     
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    It comes from deposits.

    BTW, do you know what was set by the US Basel 1 and Recourse Rule banking regulations as the safest (meaning the lowest reserve requirements) prior to the financial crisis ??
     
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    Not off hand, but three people here have described how money is created (ex nihilo), including Frances Copolla, who disagrees with your obsolete school of economics, and Frances' finance qualifications (shown in the Forbes article) would certainly answer your irrelevant question based on the obsolete quantity theory of money.

    Hint: guess why Trump and Powell are at loggerheads? Answer: neither of them knows what they are doing.

    But more importantly: to your view that because capitalism produced good results for the last 200 years, it will do so in the future....that view is soon about to be proved false. Even the current method of poison based (glyphosate), industrial scale farming is killing the remaining arable soil at remarkable rate; it's back to local organic soil co-operatives, or perish. We have only 60 years left to close Monsanto etc.

    https://grow.foodrevolution.org/screening/
     
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    The Malthusians have been saying that food production cannot keep up with population for centuries.
     
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    They did not know about artificial fertilisers and poison based-farming on an industrial scale: but nevertheless these techniques that deny the necessity to maintain healthy soil microbes and nutrient recycling will not sustain healthy food production for much longer.

    But you can carry on with your head in the sand...
     
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    Better yet, watch the film, it's actually quite engaging on many levels, regardless of any science-based urgency.

    In the meantime I will supply a link (when I have time) to a site that explains "the human condition", exploring the divisiveness, alienation and psychosis ("we must upgrade our nuclear arsenal", even if it risks MAD) that afflicts human relations.
     
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    We should be working on that rather than this silly carbon nonsense.

    Cleaning up industrial and agricultural runoff, old radioactive storage dumps, abandoned mines, preventing heavy metal poisoning, keeping our air, soil, waterways, ground water, and oceans clear of contaminates and plastics, and continuing to cut trade with China until they remove these masses of plastics they have dumped in our oceans, those are the things we should be firmly and effectively working on.

    SOD OFF, SWAMPY! NOW AN INTERNATIONAL MOVEMENT: Greta Thunberg’s rally in Canada met by energy worker counter-protests.

    “First, we had Londoners bringing a rapid end to the underground train demonstrations. Then, there are the continuing protests by the Dutch farmers, as their government wants to cut both nitrogen and carbon emissions. Now, child climate alarmist Greta Thunberg’s climate change rally has been crashed by counter-protest led by truck convoy of oil and gas workers in Canada.” ​
     
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    Well, to answer your question, she may be exaggerating. But how do we really know? Kids may exaggerate but that doesn't mean they are wrong to do so. We think our present climate-problems, most evocatively underscored by a melting North Pole, are a dire signal from Mother Nature to "Wake-up"?

    But are they? Well, to me at least, the answer is complex.

    I know for a fact that no more diesel engine cars will likely be sold in France in ten-years. But does that bother me? No.

    I know however that the replacement-vehicle is more than likely to be fully electric. Does that bother me? No, not at all. But, then, neither am I a trucker who hauls our favorite ice-cream - without which we, as a species, seem unable to survive - to local supermarkets! Neither do I work a bulldozer to create the "cellar" in the next house you may want to build. Or, the gigantic cement-mixer necessary to mount your ground-floor needed to support the entire house. Or, whatever high-rise building that will house your office.

    Oh! Please do excuse me! Right, no more office-buildings because we shall all be working off the Internet in our homes. (Yeah, right ... !)

    Nothing is simple in our complex economy. And Greta - a GREATLY COURAGEOUS LITTLE GIRL that she is - has got to come to grips with reality. It's time she went back to school. But, it is also High Time that we grown-ups (who run this world of ours) get our act together! Preferably before the entire Atmosphere Becomes Too Poisonous To Breath.

    Maybe not in our lifetimes, but certainly in anybody's who is born nowadays. Greta may likely be thinking of the world that her children one day will inhabit?

    Never thought of that, did you ... ?
     
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