Trump rally, Minneapolis

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many people have Antifa killed as of today’s date?
    Now ask the same about far right extremists.

    Which is the terrorist group again?
     
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    If they are using violence for political purposes they are a terrorist group.

    Interestingly, this opens antifa up to additional sanctions.

    This will make a fine campaign ad to remind people how lefties do.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, campaign rallies are typically paid for by the campaign — not the taxpayer. No one has ever said we are not paying for any of them, anywhere like trump is doing.

    I am not surprised however that y’all are completely ok with this.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are private venues no longer allowed to charge what they see fit?
    Did trump offer what he deemed a fair price or did they just say, na it’s free.

    How many other places has trump refused to pay, it’s surely over 2 dozen at this point.
     
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    I can bring information to you but your just going to ignore it as usual so have a nice day.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I noticed you didn’t answer the question.

    Seems your debate strategy has moved on from posting factually questionable material to simply ignoring the part of the post you don’t like or retreating from the thread entirely. Sad

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    What information did you bring me?
    You posted something not factual with no source or data.

    Your opinion is not information.

    And you will not find a single piece of unbiased sourced material that I have ever ignored since I have joined PF.com
    Pathetic cop-out
     
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    You just proved my point by ignoring the politifact link another poster gave to you.

    Our ruling
    The Trump campaign said that the Minneapolis "city government preemptively informed the Target Center that it would be responsible for $530,000 in security and other costs" related to a Trump rally, "more than 26 times the estimated security costs for a 2009 Target Center health care rally held by President Barack Obama."

    A letter from AEG to the Trump campaign cites the $530,000 estimated costs. An article in the St. Paul Pioneer Press paraphrased the Minneapolis police chief at the time stating that the costs would be $20,000 for an Obama rally.

    We rate this claim True.
     
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    What vast conspiracy to take down Trump are you talking about? A rabble of leftist weirdos outside of a Trump rally doing what leftist weirdos do? How is that a vast conspiracy?
     
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    How did I ignore it, I addressed it in post #56
    “Did trump offer what he deemed a fair price or did they just say, na it’s free.”

    You might want to attest look for responses before your levy claims that make you look like a complete fraud.

    Feel free to present information that Obama or other candidates have refused to pay all security fees at all venues?
    I know there have been a few that got in contractural disputes over amounts changing but typically they are paid.

    So again, what have I ignored?
     
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    Which of them were told it was 26x the previous cost?
     
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    Again, you made the false statement that I ignored it. I didn’t... feel free to have some basic level of integrity and retract your statement. Or don’t, I don’t really care.

    If trump felt it was an unfair rate did he make a counteroffer or just say in some variation of “no, it’s fee”.
    Do you believe he would have paid it had it only been... let’s say...$16,191?
     
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    You do realize they are not Req to pay per FEC reqs right?

    However you have no explanation of the costs being 26x higher supposedly a few years later.. i can see why you dont want to discuss that because it would bring up what a hack the mayor is.
     
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    Many of us don't believe liberals are moronic per se. Rather we believe you have a mental disorder called TDS.
     
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    And he will be defeated by which of the candidates running for the Dim nomination?
     
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    There is also no FEC requirement not to pay. Typically one expects to pay for services rendered — unless you are trump — of course there isn’t going to be a requirement to do so it a societal norm. I agree we need to lock down our laws and regulations so another conman cannot come through and destroy hundreds of years of precedent.

    The article — which you obviously didn’t read (for someone accusing another of not reading an article or responding to it you should be better prepared) — explains the increase.
    “Casper Hill, a city spokesman, told PolitiFact that the public safety costs are expected to be around $400,000 and there are an additional $130,000 costs for lane closure fees and traffic control, among other things. The city examined the costs for other major recent events to determine the costs, including the Super Bowl in 2018, which was roughly $6 million, and $1.5 million for the Final Four men’s college basketball tournament earlier this year.”

    and

    “A national investigation by the Center for Public Integrity found that among local governments that invoiced the Trump campaign, the amounts ranged between $8,000 to $82,000 for public safety costs related to rallies. The highest bill was from the city of El Paso for about $470,000. ”

    From another source, https://publicintegrity.org/federal-politics/minneapolis-mayor-donald-trump-rally-police-bills/, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey Said “When Trump conducts a campaign rally in Minneapolis or any city, they’re typically major affairs, attracting thousands — even tens-of-thousands — of revelers. Protesters come, too.”

    So you have your reasoning, how the amount was estimated, and are not in disagreement that trump didn’t offer any compensation.


    Questions you have dodged so far
    “Do you believe he would have paid it had it only been... let’s say...$16,191?”
    “So again, what have I ignored?”
     
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    The Democrats will be in it......
     
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    Antifa doesn't have a kill count, because they're noodle-armed weaklings, and cowards. They're dangerous pests, but they're too incompetent to be actual killers.

    It certainly isn't from a lack of trying.
     
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    Are you sure? I have it on great authority and left wing consensus that we Trump followers hate the guy. And the polling numbers are here by the dozen!
     
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    Cant make this stuff up.
     
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    Yes, residents of these cities not having a say in who can immigrate into their communities IS bad. That's why people in Minnesota are being beat up and robbed by Somali gangs in MN.

    The others are obviously bad.

    Democrats proved it with their behavior on the streets of MN, the mayor proved it with his behavior, manufactured investigations are bad, and the Bidens are bad.
     
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    Can you just see the libs heads exploding if he were to take California?
     
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