Turkish troops cross into Syria; Iran launches military drill near Turkish border: reports

Hahaha Turkic tribes and Iranians have had border since world began!

 

Prove it. No genocide there

 

Many Iranians have at least some Turkic lineage in their family tree. In my own case, I have several lines in my family tree (particularly on my father's side) who have Turkic background (both Azeri and non-Azeri Turkic background). In fact, my grandmother (who has long passed away) didn't speak much Persian and I recall when she would stay with us when I was a young boy, and try to scold me or tell me what to do or not to do in her Turkic dialect, I would often pretend not to understand what she was saying

 

Simple and nonsensical are not the same thing. Either you can clearly articlulate a point, or you can't.

 

And yet, where Trumpsters are concerned, the truth and the facts, don't matter.

 

Ah, but doesn't comprehension play in to the equation too? I can read a Poem to a gold fish slowly and clearly and even hold the print up to the glass, but without comprehension it's simply an exercise in futility, right?

 

All of your points are excellent ones, Margot. Through the years, you have always shown your in-depth knowledge of the Middle East, and it is considerable!

What distresses me is that we are just abandoning the Kurds (no matter which economic theories they embrace) to the Turks -- who have wanted to exterminate the Kurdish people ever since the end of World War I. It reminds me hauntingly of how (on a much, much larger scale) how we abandoned the South Vietnamese people in the 1970's. Just threw them to "the dogs". And as much as I thoroughly HATED the Vietnam "War", it made me sick. And I'm sick today seeing the Turks pouring into Syria with air power, armor, and assault formations, targeting civilians -- terrified women and children running for their lives while their men try to fight this JUGGERNAUT with little but 'side-arms'.

Indeed, if we were going to 'bug-out' and desert them, it SHOULD have been with a warning to Führer Erdogan that involved penalties far greater than some vague bullshit about hitting Turkey's economy.... Nonsense! But, in fairness to Trump (not easy to do right now), what would some DEMOCRAT president be doing in an identical situation...?

You know who's 'enjoying the popcorn' right now? VLADIMIR PUTIN, who is the unassailable power-broker in this whole sick drama....

. "I cry a tear for the Kurds... now, what's next...?"

 

Of course our culture is better.

Name one thing that makes them as good as western culture.

 

Family values, looking after relatives, and hospitality to strangers is much better

 

Hahahahahaha

I guess as long as you're not a woman, are inbreeding, and are a Muslim.

Human rights there are, and I quote, "egregiously poor".

 

I agree with you..

IMO.. Putin and Trump should tell Assad that if he wants to get financing to restore Syria, he needs to give Eastern Syria to the Kurds.

Then tell Ergodan he has to contribute..and back off the Kurds. I don't think Assad is a leader. IMO he's a ruthless butcher..

Neither Turkey nor the Kurds should pay for what Assad has done.

 

You carry on hiding in your basement. It's a scary world out there.

 

No, ISIS is it's own agenda.

 

That's projection.

I've actually been in that part of the world. I've seen the child slaves the police keep as sexual toys in their barracks in Afghanistan. I've seen women beaten and left dead in the streets. I saw aftermath of the rape and looting of Kuwait.

I know others who have shown me photos of what the ISIS animals did to entire villages. Giving heads to kids for soccer balls. Burning people alive. Capturing women and turning them into sex slaves, only to kill them when they're tired of them.

It is a culture of stone age animals.

That you would put their culture against ours in any way only betrays how much of a basement hider YOU are.

 

You do know that Mexico is no where near Turkey, right? Exactly what continent are "Irrelevant" countries in?

 

So very similar to what American soldiers did in Viet Nam

 

No, one is an entire group of people who does Viet Nam every day for the last couple thousand years.

 

ISIS is a combination of sentiments born in the Wahhabi culture of the Arabian peninsula fueled and politicized in certain directions by an agenda that I have described in earlier message. In either case, its ethos are alien to the Persianate culture of the dominant empires of the region (whether Ottoman or Persian), which held sway outside of the Arabian peninsula.

 

Excellent post! I as a Vietnam Veteran am also very sick that "we" or I should say Putin's dog abandoned the Kurds in some ways similar to the way we the US abandoned the Vietnamese, the Mioa and the Montanyard tribespeople of Vietnam. I served in the Montanyard areas of Vietnam so their fate was personal to me.
The big tragedy of what Putin's dog Donnie did is that he singlehandidly destroyed our , US , credibility for generations.

Trump has one schiest way of making America " great again.".

 

Saying ISIS has an alien ethos, is like saying a serial murderer has a chip on their shoulder. ISIS is about power and control, argue away it's ethos, but they are reviled throughout the Muslim world.

 

I am certainly fine with this view of ISIS as you present it but from my perspective it fails to explain how this group became as powerful as they became. The reason or blame for that ultimately rests with foreign powers, even if their ideology has aspects that are derived from Wahhabi culture. And that Wahhabi culture is what I have specifically described as being 'alien' to the ethos of the more dominant cultures in the region.

 

and were unable to do anything beyond an insurgency while we were there. As soon as we left, ISIS becomes powerful and Mosul falls. Like I said, Obama left a power vacuum, and ISIS filled it.

 

So what if it was? It may have started, but couldn’t accomplish anything while we were there.

 

There were extremely very few cases of rape by our troops in Vietnam.

 

Blaming others will get you nowhere with me. This extremism has been fostering for a long time and the leaders throughout the Muslim world either turned away or worse, used them for power gains. Foreign powers didn't create nor is it responsible, there are way too many leaders that are not that much different in meting out harsh punishment to those that don't follow strict adherence.