Turkish troops cross into Syria; Iran launches military drill near Turkish border: reports

Sure...right up to the second an EMP relegates you to the Stone Age for a few centuries.

You'll be dead and they'll be doing whatever it is they do.

 

BS from you. Racketeering was the biggest money earner in Mosul run by the future Daesh members. Every business had to pay for this "protection". The threats of death or kidnapping were carried out on those that did not pay up. Many people disappeared often later their bodies turning up on the door steps of their family's house as a warning to those that did not comply with future demands.

 

Lot of megalomania going on this morning.

 

I think with the level of education, existing resources, etc that it wont look like an arab village circa 2019. (No EMP to blame there)

 

I think the Trump rally has them riled up.

 

Your generalities are for another discussion at a more holistic level, so I won't go into that. I simply refuse to accept groups like ISIS are influenced or programmed or whatever term you want to use, from outside sources.

 

in hopes they would get better

 

Lol, future Daesh. Just because members existed then does not make it exist then. Lol, racketeering does not equal ISIS.

 

It's the same people carrying out the same acts that "your" ISIS did! Many people were murdered by them while you were safely tucked up in bed in your safe zones thinking everything is going really well. Which bit don't you understand?

 

What you refuse to believe, or choose to believe, is your choice. But if you are interested to actually understand some basic things, then understand this: Regardless of whether there was a fertile cultural or ideological ground for a force such as ISIS (and there was through a combination of factors, both foreign and domestic) that kind of military organization did not emerge from thin air! The foundation for this military organization, with the same general agenda and ideology, was already developed, not in secret, but openly by the United State itself.

The surge was sold to you as the US working with Sunni Arab tribal leaders to defeat Al Queda. In reality, a main element of the surge was found in working together with Al Queda members, ex Baathists and Arab Sunni tribal leaders to build up a force called the Sons of Iraq (a force of around 100,000 trained military soldiers) to fight pro Iranian Shia militia, attack pro Iranian Shia political parties, and to basically undermine the very foundations of the new Iraqi state that the US had itself set up (but which had become, in American/Saudi/Israeli minds a conduit for Iranian influence in Iraq). This force was then merely regrouped, its ranks beefed up further by additional foreign jihadists as well as those joining it from Syria, finding new leadership once its old patrons were gone and became what you know as ISIS.

Some of this is just basic facts you can find in the encyclopedia!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Iraq
Sons of Iraq

 

While HE was safely tucked into bed? Where did you deploy?

 

That mysterious response has nothing to do with my post.

 

What operation are you speaking of, exactly? Most were classified. If you have the clearance, then you should not be posting that information on here.

 

I 'liked' your post, even though it was pretty hard on Trump. I voted for him, and agree with most of what he's done since he's been president -- BUT -- this treacherous 'bug-out' we pulled in Syria is just flat-out WRONG! The Turks have already stormed into Syria like a big gang of marauding beasts, killing everybody they can.

I need to contain myself a bit now, but damn it, when we BETRAY a battlefield ally who had fought, bled, and died WITH us against ISIS, and then leave them completely vulnerable to an ANIMAL like Erdogan, then we are beneath contempt! It is not possible to whitewash a rotten, despicable 'bug-out' like this. And every other nation in the world knows right NOW exactly what 'commitments' from the United States are worth!

."Hey, the stock market's up! What else matters?"

 

That is a senseless argument. Maybe in the year 100 BC you could have made that argument but not now when people and things move around the world is hours.

 

Your post about betrayal of our battlefield allies is a great example of a American patriot. It was from the heart that is where the spirit of patriotism comes from.
I can understand your your voting for Trump. I was going to vote for Trump for a few weeks. Then he attacked John MCCain 's service to our country. To me that was just the lowest of low and showed an extreme lack of morality. Since I could never vote for Hillary I ended up writing in Kasich.

 

Sure, just as soon as you put on your boot bands and go fight the Houthis.

 

Obviously he made a mistake, but once again your new narrative is bogus.

 

Yeah, ok mouth piece of Iran.

 

I was responding to another poster

 

You're right.. Protection extortion, kidnapping for ransom, bank robbing and drug running was all income for ISIS. Additionally they set up book leg refineries and were selling gas to Assad and everyone else.

The U.S. Treasury said it was targeting Syrian businessman George Haswani, who it said "serves as a middleman" for oil purchases by the Syrian government from Islamic State. His company, an engineering and construction firm, was also sanctioned.

Haswani is Syrian .. His wife is an Alawite and travels on a Russian passport.

Read more on UNIAN: https://www.unian.info/world/119444...helping-syria-government-buy-oil-from-is.html

 

I'm in a strange position with this, and most of my fellow Conservatives (and the Libertarians) disagree with me a lot! Still, 'wrong is wrong'. I wish Trump had NEVER gone barging into Syria in the first place with troops on the ground! He wanted to strike ISIS, and I was 100% in favor of killing every Islamo-Nazi he could drop a bomb on -- and that's key... because I'm a big believer in the use of AIR POWER instead of putting "boots on the ground" unless it is absolutely necessary to have people in place on the ground. So, if Trump had carpet-bombed every suspected ISIS position, that would have been just FINE with me -- but we should have kept our ground troops OUT of there.

But, once we went in on the ground, then I believe we had an OBLIGATION to see the mission all the way through on the ground -- and that entailed making certain that our battlefield allies, the Kurds, would be secure and safe when/if we packed up and left there.

I thank you for your compliments, Partizan, and although I knew we've disagreed in the past, and will probably disagree on different things in the future, it is good to know that another veteran from the 'Nam Era sees this sad event in Syria the same way I do. Truly, I had no choice -- for guys like us always believed that you never, EVER, betray a comrade-in-arms. All the best to you!

 

agreed but it is not in economic interests to carpet bomb oil producing countries, more investments in drones could help reduce boots on the ground.

 

Here's more:

 

ISIS declared war on Saudi Arabia in 2012 and has carried out many suicide bombings in the kingdom.. many, many more have been foiled.