When Admission of Guilt is "Not Evidence" of Crime

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Don't complain about "Fake News Liars" while spreading fake news. There is absolutely no evidence Hunter was being investigated by Ukraine. None. At all. Anywhere.
     
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    Your side lost an election but you refuse to accept it
     
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    Trump is president.... Pence is v president....

    I'll repeat it if you like

    Trump is president... Pence is v president.

    Fully Accepted... I read it on Wiki...

    Now, it's impeachment time for actions while in office.

    Although I hope Nadler still holds his AMI/Stormy/Cohen hearing in October, as promised... That could be a fun distraction for a day or so...
     
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Nor is there evidence that Joe was protecting his son in some way.

    They know all that....but it's repeatable by the low information voter, so it's unlikely to go away while Trump is being impeached in December..
     
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    They have somewhat of an advantage. It takes considerably more time and effort to debunk Trump's lies than it takes for him to produce them.
     
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    LOL, you'd think so, but not in most cases..... There's one or two that have some ring of plausibility every now and then, but most of them are finished on their face..

    But it's clear that Biden Jr shouldn't have been in that position while pops was leading the Ukraine/US efforts...

    It's what we used to know as "appearance of impropriety"
     
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    No you dont “fully accept” trump as president

    Or at least the thunder herd of liberals you run with do not accept it
     
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  8. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's on them, but I don't think I've ever seen anybody on here come close to that assertion... Nobody likes it, but elections are elections and he somehow conned enough folks in the midwest to think he was some sort of savior...

    I also believe Russian-led propaganda had a hand in pushing some of the undecided lemmings, but those Americans still marked that oval for Donald J. Trump so they have a share of responsibility for the state of affairs today...
     
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    I'm not saying that Biden will be banned or anything, just that Democrats will go with someone else so they can be relentless on this Uke issue. Irrespective of whether the accusations against either are true, Democrats would prefer to have the argument stated by someone who has absolutely no cloud over their head.

    Similar to how on race Warren is not a great choice. Partly because she is one of the whitest people in the continental United States, but also because Trump can (rightly or wrongly) throw her admissions and subsequent DNA test back in her face in response to attacks on this topic.
     
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    The only ones to blame for the turmoil in our republic today are the trump haters who are trying to remove him from office

    You folks are sore losers
     
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    I'm sorry but you either missed the salient part of the argument or chose to ignore it. Biden stated a national/international policy of "clean up your act or you will get no aid." There was no demand to investigate a domestic political figure, nor was there any renumeration to Biden. It was United States policy. That's the big difference.
     
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    You try to have a conversation with you and see what you get egoboy. Biden admits to bribery in the amount of a billion dollars plus and Democrats defend his criminality, just as they defended Hillary's and Obama's and Comey's and Lynch's and ……….
     
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    NO he did NOT say "clean up your act." He said "Fire the prosecutor (who is investigating my son) or I will withhold a billion dollars in foreign aid."

    Bribery. Quid pro quo. Then he laughed while profaning the "sonofabitch". Joe Biden will have to improve very considerably to get back up to just "Slow Joe."
    He has become Bumbling, Retarded, Groping Joe.
     
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    The prosecutor was no longer investigating anything regarding Biden.
     
  15. Egoboy

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    I have no intention of having a conversation with somebody with views that skewed..
     
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    You miss the point, and deliberately. What Hunter was doing is immaterial to the BRIBERY done by Joe Biden, viz., "Fire the prosecutor (who's investigating my son) or America will withhold your billion dollars."

    That's bribery. You whitewash it out of pure hatred and lust for power.
     
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    Fortunately, impeachment isn't necessary. Hell, all we need is an extradition treaty with Ukraine, and the Biden's will have a new home for a few years.
     
  19. Egoboy

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    Even if it was anything, which it's not, it would be extortion... Bribery is paying somebody to do something.... Read a book...

    I whitewash it because it wasn't done for personal or political gain... it was the policy of much of the international community to remove that guy and Joe happened to be in the right place at the right time with the right leverage..

    Here's a picture of Joe getting his ransom demand for the kidnapping of Ben and Jerry

    [​IMG]
     
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    What childish condescension you display. What childish condescension. So typical of the Left.

    The President of Ukraine acted in Biden's favor by FIRING the Prosecutor. The inducement was Biden's threat of withholding one billion dollars. Only in Leftist World is this just fine and not criminal, like Hillary bleachbitting her computer when subpoenaed for investigation. Like Hillary accepting $145,000,000 from Russia and selling them 20% of America's uranium production. Never again will I bother even to glimpse at anything you have to say, "EgoBOY".


    bribe
    [brīb]
    VERB
    1. persuade (someone) to act in one's favor, typically illegally or dishonestly, by a gift of money or other inducement
     
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    Hysterical.... stopping communications with somebody of this level of intellect isn't going to ruin my day...

    Ta Ta...
     
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    Irrelevant. It was a bribe by Joe Biden, groper of little girls. "Fire the prosecutor or you don't get 1.8 billion U.S. dollars."

    Then Groper Joe bragged about his bribery and Leftists defend his criminal conduct.

    Insane.
     
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    Wasn't bribery a week ago when you jumped down this rabbit hole...

    It still isn't...

    Try again on the 18th... I feel you'll have better luck then.

    Here's a nice simple article with a recap of what happened in that episode.. (Notice how you built it up to 1.8 B - bad boy)

    SNIP
    The vice president had planned to announce $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees for Ukraine. But en route to Kyiv on Air Force Two, Biden changed his mind.

    Poroshenko was dragging his feet building the institutions needed to take on corruption, aides said. Biden and his staff rewrote the speech, removing the loan guarantees.

    In Kyiv, Biden privately informed Poroshenko of the decision and the demand: Fire Shokin, or you lose the loan guarantees.

    “Poroshenko was clearly disappointed,” said Colin Kahl, Biden’s national security advisor at the time.

    In an interview, Poroshenko recalled “heated” but cordial discussions with Biden.

    He said the loan guarantees were contingent on meeting International Monetary Fund benchmarks, including replacing the prosecutor general. Biden was not alone in his demands, Poroshenko said.

    “Pressure on us came from everywhere: the activists, political forces, embassies, international organizations,” he said, adding that the names of Hunter Biden and Burisma never came up.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-05/bidens-visits-to-ukraine-under-scrutiny

    Case closed... Biden overbragged on his impact in this situation... Not the first time a politician has done that......
     
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    Stuff just doesn't seem to register. It was conditions of a very big "loan" which the international community demanded assurances that a corrupt prosecutor be fired. It wasn't some return on Joe Biden's personal bank account. It was U.S. policy. Get it?
     
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    It was NOT "U.S. policy" to bribe the Ukrainian president to fire the country's prosecutor. It was Joe Biden's bribery, illegal and offensive in the extreme, but only to people of decency and good sense.
     

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