Beto O'Rourke: Churches That Oppose Same-Sex Marriage Should Lose Tax-Exempt Status

the snake handler churches are typically Pentecostal, Pentecostals don't follow a strict hierarchy like the Catholics do. Some Pentecostal churches won't let the women wear pants others will allow gay people to marry one another. And everything in between.

The ones that are really bad at brainwashing are the Jehovah's witnesses and the Amish. If your child decides not to be part of this group anymore you must act as if they died. Otherwise you will be ejected. And you may think great now I don't have to be part of this ridiculous religion but it's more sinister than that. We all know the Amish way of life and once you grow up in that way of life with that level of education you will face extreme difficulty acquiring any kind of work. They keep their people stupid to keep them in control. Jehovah's witnesses do this too. Most Jehovah's witnesses don't go to college they work menial jobs. So they are controlled.

At least the Catholic Church I was able to give you a good education.

Arrested for practicing faith? So you want them to edit their religion and just save everyone goes to heaven so you don't feel compelled to follow their teachings?

So you want every religion to be Anton LaVey satanism, or people get arrested?

I don't blame you for your views, I did not go to Catholic School, my family converted to Catholicism when I was 14, and about 22 I left. One of the things I had trouble with were people referred to as cradle Catholics. They would get downright ugly if I told them I didn't believe something that was in church doctrine.

I can't imagine growing up in school with teachers like that.

 

As in it should be illegal?

 

"Pulpit-power?"

Do churches preach on "pay your taxes?"

 

Well, the question posed to him said "church", but really it should've been religious organisations. O'rourke a complete idiot, but I don't think even he would've announced an exemption for mosques if the question included them.

 

Which churches are these?

Is this scam stuff separate to the political preaching churches?

 

I think so too.

He may not be President in 2020, but he's shifting the progressive Overton Window into new territory of ideas that will set what progressivism is going to be about going forward.

 

Yes, I know the JWs well, as well as Mormons. I attended a half a dozen other churches as well. Some churches are so bad that people never escape their wrath. At least with Catholics you have a chance to get your life back eventually.

I am saying that when you terrorize children like that, it ruins their lives. You won't find many people more bitter towards a church than ex Catholics for a good reason. They spend the rest of their lives trying to escape the guilt and fear instilled in early childhood.

I don't care about religious freedom when it ruins lives; and esp terrorizes children. They didn't have a right to steal 40 years of my life based on fairy tales.

 

I am reminded of a number of young men I encountered on another site dedicated to relationships. They were struggling with something I knew all too well. Every day they struggle to escape "impure thoughts" while hormones are raging. Eventually they give in to the forces of nature and masturbate, Then they are wracked with guilt and pray for forgiveness for masturbating. Finally, they start the cycle all over again. It is an endless cycle of struggle and guilt that can last for decades, all over something that is perfectly natural. I didn't get over the guilt of masturbation until I was 40. 30 years of endlessly struggling with guilt for NOTHING!

And note that this is more a result of studying the bible every day. They didn't go out of their way to terrorize us. We just learned what "the good book" says, day after day after day. Well guess what, the bible isn't the word of god. It is the words of men and politicians. It is all about control.

 

I don't want groups paying taxes and should be free to play around in politics. Why? Because all the money raised by non profits and churches has already been taxed and these organizations do good things in out communities. I don't see the point on taxing organizations that make the world a better place.

 

How is not allowing same sex marriage political?

 

I am talking about con artists like Pat Robertson [the 700 club] declaring that trump is the chosen one. THAT is political.

 

That's racist and xenophobic.

O'Rourke doesn't speak for all Mexicans.

 

But I thought Pat Robertson said Reagan was the chosen one ?

 

Pat Robertson has given millions of people their lives with his world wide charities. What have you done?

 

I really doubt in the D prez primary, they are to concerned about the conservative among us.
Things said in a primary race are geared towards those likely voters in the primary.
My guess is truth is stretched often times.

 

No, it's a political issue, as marriage is a legal contract to the US gov't.
Sure, marriage is also important in most religions, but that is separate from the role/view of gov't.

 

That is certainly an opinion.
But if that were the actual case, most people would have multiple marriages. Which is actually not the case.

 

Yup i agree and the government needs to have no say in what churches do and don't do.

 

Just a few words here:

About 2 decades back, the Amish shocked the world when some of their children were killed and there was no hatred, anger or calls of revenge from them. Why? Because they are Christians and the Holy Spirit comforted them.

I could always discern Christians from non Christians on TV from that very factor. The ones who wanted revenge were not Christians, and the ones who did were.

Now imagine a world where hatred and revenge doesn't exist?

 

"The uncontested absurdities of today are the accepted slogans of tomorrow. They come to be accepted by degrees, by dint of constant pressure on one side and constant retreat on the other - until one day when they are suddenly declared to be the country's official ideology."

-Ayn Rand

 

what do you mean by terrorizing saying that there's a hell? That's teaching religion if you want people arrested for teaching religion you're going to have a hard sell in the US there's this thing called the First Amendment.

I'm in Ex-Catholic and I'm not bitter.

You're saying that the idea of hell is terrorism no that's religion. And it doesn't matter if you don't care about that right, it is a right. You can't arrest people for it without first repealing the amendment.

 

probably because if they reacted in a human way they would have been excommunicated.

I don't think that this is the comfort of the holy Spirit. I think it's the thread of ostracism that's how cults operate.

it is human to desire revenge, it is godliness to deny that desire.

when you pick out People based on their behavior and say that they are not Christians because of such Behavior you are judging, and when it's your turn to be judged pray that God has more Mercy than you.

It is a logical fallacy as well referred to as the "no true Scotsman..." Fallacy.

We as humans are imperfect and only by the grace of Christ are we saved. Not by how much you publicly stifle your congregants.

That would require annihilation of the human race.

Such a world is bleak.

Imagine a more real scenario where people are not publicly shamed or punished for the desires that we all have, but rewarded for mercy and Grace.

 

And that is the case.
Unless a church wants to push political agendas, then they should not be considered a church. But a political organization.

 

Or no not for profit organizations should be taxed regardless of what activities they engage in...

If the Atheist church of Cleveland wants to make sure that folks in a nursing home get to vote. I support their endeavors regardless of political bias or tax status.

No i don't know if there is an athiest church of Cleveland, i made that part up to illustrate my point.

 

Helping people get to a polling place is not the same as giving money/support to a politician/party/or specific law.