Frustrated pilots got Navy to stop dismissing UFO sightings

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    This is a paper published in a highly respected journal: The Journal of the British Interplanetary Society - JBIS. The authors are two physicists - an optical physicist and an astrophysicist - an atmospheric scientist, and an engineer.

    Inflation-Theory Implications for Extraterrestrial Visitation
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    http://www.calphysics.org/articles/JBIS.pdf
     
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    The man who specialized in pilot UFO encounters, is Dr. Richard Haines.

    http://www.ufowatchdog.com/richard_haines.htm



     
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    This appears to be legitimate. I haven't spotted anything official from from Chile but the link below goes into detail.
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/grou...eased-from-chilean_b_586d37bce4b014e7c72ee56b



    What is particularly interesting is the apparent release of a hot gas or liquid. A number of reports from well-supported cases going back decades, describe something like molten metal being dumped from UFOs. In a few cases, this was allegedly witnessed at close range by observers.

    Jacques Vallee studied some of these cases and even retrieved trace physical evidence for the event.

    https://www.intotheportal.com/into-...xxiv-ufo-encounters-vallee-and-trace-evidence
     
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    I was thinking about this event, as I do from time to time, and thinking about my aunts reaction when I asked her about it. It was a terrifying night to be sure. After all, she had an ack-ack gun firing about 50 feet or so from her. But, the fact that the gun was firing meant that the object was visible from her location. My heart dropped when I suddenly realized there are two reason when she may not have wanted to talk about it. I always wondered why, even after 50 years [this was back in the 1990s, before she died], it was so upsetting that she couldn't even talk about it. I remember being a little thrown by her reaction. It seemed a little out of context somehow. Then it occurred to me: Maybe it wasn't just the gun. Maybe she saw it. That would explain her reaction. Perhaps she saw something that she could never process intellectually, so she just shut it out. That would be like her. And I swear, her reaction did seem more like denial than one of fear. That is what struck me at the time. But I never connected the dots. I always imagined her huddled in the bedroom in the closet, with her children.

    DAMN! Now I really wish she would have told me about that night.
     
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    What's going to happen to the worlds religions when it's known they're based on alien encounters and not God
     
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    I don't see any justification for thinking that seeing an alien would be a logical or likley reason to not want to talk about it.

    How about the neighbor being frightened by children flying a kite in the night and responding with deadly force?

    Would your aunt want to talk about that?
     
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    I mean according to the bible man was created in God's image and there is no superior being other than God to man.

    What is going to happen to Christianity when an alien life form superior to man is revealed???
     
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    Who knows what "in god's image" even means? Does someone think we look like god? Does god have sex organs or wrinkles? Does the quote just mean that we were created in god's image of what man should be? Obviously we can sin, so we're not like god in that way. Are we superior because we can love each other even as the aliens send our planet hurtling towrd the sun?

    I think religion in general and Christianity in particular are plenty resilient when it comes to finding justifications. It's what they do!
     
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    Lol. So we have evidence that there are craft that defy our physics and you will not tolerate speculation?

    Sounds like some sort of mental affection on your part .

    You can bet people in high places are speculating. And that is what they get paid to do. Ha ha
     
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    The trouble with the ufo community is it is filled with nuts .

    And they have turf wars. Ha ha

    And you have charlatans who make a living by lying.

    So how did Dr. Greer get into the position of briefing politicians and even cia people? Ha ha

    He must make a good living from it ad he stopped being a physician .

    Yet it is a fact there are craft.that are beyond our technology as to appear magical.

    Apparently whatever they are and where they are from they have not told us. Unless you believe in abductions which I do not.

    It is strange enough that these craft exist.
     
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    That paper is not part of experimental science - scientific method. It has NONE of the elements that would be required for it to be such a paper - such as having a testable hypothesis.

    Read the conclusion. Their only conclusion is that the possibility of ETs warrants more study. And, that's mostly backed by their suggestion that finding a real, live ET would be a really big deal. One could consider this a call for money.

    The journal in question is a serious journal, but it does not restrict itself to progress made by scientific method. For example, they worked on Project Daedalus, (a thought project where contributors were allowed to use technological ideas that could prove to be real sometime in the reasonably near future), printed pieces by Arthur C. Clark, considers issues of philosophy, etc. - material that certainly can be interesting, but not required to be backed by evidence or testing of any kind at all.
     
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    My issue is speculating to assert definitive conclusions rather than speculating to come up with possibilities to be assessed and tested. You did it yourself here, automatically assuming that what has been observed are specifically "craft" and that they're actually defying physics. Both are possible elements of whatever would actually explain these events but neither are automatically or necessarily true.
     
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    Stating what faber interacted with was a aerial craft is not speculation.

    The craft jammed the targeting radar of the other plane that filmed this craft.. To say it is speculation that what these 4 pilots saw was a craft is nonsense.

    Faber said it was a craft and who are you to question him? He is the expert, not you.

    He said he wants to fly it.
     
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    Fascinating, read the whole thing at the link:

     
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    The plot thickens:

     
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    Makes you wonder why they are not sharing other gun cameras video. I mean the cat is out of the bag now!

    Yet our govt have been very secretive for many decades in regards to these craft .

    But when these things can fly in our air space and we cant do a damn thing about it that is a good reason to dismiss them for so long and even deny their existence.

    I doubt our govt knows what intelligence created them and the origin .

    But I love mysteries that our brightest minds cannot solve.
     

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