Why are tax payers stuck with paying for campaign rally's

Nothing in your post is true.

 

Individual liberties should end where harm begins. By that, I mean that all adults should be allowed to do whatever they like, right up to the point where someone could get hurt. Isn't that why we have laws in the first place? If a corporation's owners/operators want to pollute a river or spew toxic chemicals into the air in their effort to exercise their freedom to make money, shouldn't society have laws/regulations to stop them?

Freedom is completely dependent upon responsibility. Every free person is completely responsible for their actions, and should face consequences when those actions cause harm to others. What we do not want is to judge others based on who or what they are, but only by what they do or, in some cases, what they say.

We have a deep divide in this country, and in many others, between those who accept and tolerate differences, mind their own personal business, try to help where and when they can, and support a government that tries to regulate power and money to do the least amount of harm to those who have little of either, and those who believe that all should live their way, and that businesses should be free to make money in any way they see fit.

Call me an idealist if you like, I accept that label. The America that I grew up believing in and loving does not cage children at the border or separate families for any reason other than the welfare of the child. My America does not abandon those who have fought at our side to be slaughtered by a tyrannical power intent on genocide. My America does not allow an incompetent, petty, spiteful, mean-spirited president to cozy up to our enemies and allow them free reign to dismember journalists and subjugate women. My America does not tolerate the daily lies and false narratives coming from the top and keeping us divided.

And if nothing else sinks in with those who support such a man, try this: once, not too long ago, good manners, civility, and common coutesy had value in America. Since the rise of Trumpism, those things are now seen as weaknesses by his supporters. Is that really okay with you?

 

Hillary won by almost 3 million votes. Trump is president because we do not yet have the political will to get rid of the electoral college. A president represents all Americans and should be chosen by the majority. One person, one vote.

 

The America you grew up in had a relatively small number of illegal aliens crashing the border and there were very few, if any, taxpayer dollars available to them from the US Treasury billion teat milk bladder.

And there was no mercy for those of them who committed crimes.

That was a much better America.

 

Neither you nor I know that. It is a fact that you don't know what you don't know. I know one of a pair of twins born in Russia and adopted at 6 weeks old by families of two brothers. At least one and likely both have birth certificates signed by a US doctor in a US hospital and certified by a US State Dept of Vital Records. The Russian Orthodox Church / Catholic Church can work miracles. Contacts accessible to Obama's mother with her missionary like work might affirm Obama's oath in his school application. Just sayin'.

 

“I knew that Hillary Clinton’s people, were protecting the Monster,” [Rose] McGowan wrote, referring to Weinstein. “I can’t believe I used to support her. I guess predators are her style.”

If Hillary ran again she would be thrown out a 4th floor window and ground down to become part of the pavement by a cattle stampede.

It's such a gift to America that she lost.

 

Huh? You and I both know that for a proven fact.

Batshit conspiracy nonsense.

And what you are just sayin is demonstrably false moronic bullshit.

 

Mods please excuse the post......

The campaign paid for the venue and paid for the security inside and around the building. They are not responsible for the acts of the lib/prog/fascist/antifa outside who are responsible for the extra police protection outside, make them pay for it.

 

Well, the DNC was in debt because of their really poorly worked fundraising and complete reliance on Obama while he was president, and Obama neglected the party because he was too busy as President. This is the thing about the DNC, they suck at fundraising. They rely too heavily on popular individuals with preset followings, Bill Clinton in the 90's and Obama from 2008 to 2016, and if those people are too busy, the DNC ends up with no real funding. This is what happened.

However, there is no evidence that Clinton actually rigged the DNC or made any type of deal. And she wasn't the only candidate to give funding to the DNC during that time. I highly doubt Clinton would have lost if he hadn't given funding, given that the DNC works much like the EC, and has several delegates who can vote for anyone who has over a certain percentage of the popular vote. The party insiders who make up most of the delegates were never going to vote for Sanders or anyone other than Clinton. She was the popular candidate for the party insiders.

 

You ryight wingers complain that the Obamasare now obscenely wealthy they eadch got book deals and signed contracts to produce videos as well as getting paid for speeches.BUT????How do you possibly account for Sarah Palin having a NET WORTH OF $12 MILLION?????She was a short term Alaska governor and a vice presidential candidate and a wife and mother,nothing else????

 

I hope that the OP believes everything he wrote. I sincerely hope that he as uncomfortable as possible with the ideas he proffers in his OP.

The only difference between a liar and a fool is that the liar knows that they're lying; the fool believes it. To be a liar, one must not only remember their lies, they must also remember that they're lying. At the moment that one forgets that they're lying, they stop being a liar and become a fool. Liars are immune from the emotions that accompany their lies, fools are not. A fool digs a pit and then falls in it.

 

Little to nothing out of Dirty Donald's mouth remotely resembles the truth,he is by far and away the biggest LIAR, in a public figure, we have had in my lifetime.

 

So you feel cities should eat the cost for presidential campaigns?

Yes or no?

Why is this such a hard question for you to answer?

 

It's 'campaign's rally, not campaign rally's. The answer is, because it's easy to rip off people who can't spell.

 

Why are you asking dumb questions? I answered your question answer mine now.

Why shouldn't the group making the outside increased protection necessary paying for it? The campaign PAID TO RENT THE VENUE.............are you having trouble understanding that? They also paid for their security inside the building.............are you having trouble understanding that? The people attending the venue are TAXPAYERS in that city and that is who is being protected due to the threats being posed by their political opponents.

 

In which state? California? So what? Trump won 30 of the 51 elections Clinton only won 20.

 

Actually, technically speaking, the President Represents the Federal Government. He/she is the arbiter between the States when they have a dispute. He/she is negotiator between the federal government and foreign governments. He/she enforces the laws that Congress makes. He/she can propose laws, but he/she does not make law. He/she is selected by the State Governments. Not by the People. Albeit the State Governments have allowed the people in their State to choose who they should select as President. It is those in Congress that are supposed to Represent the people...and even then only the people in their respective districts inside their own States that they were elected by. There is no one elected official that represents the entire people of the United States. If the President is supposed to be a representative of any thing other than the Federal government then it would be the States that they Represent due to the Presidents roll of arbiter between the States, negotiator with foreign governments, and law enforcement.

Perhaps the reason that you want to get rid of the Electoral College is because you don't understand this. You think that the President represents the entire people in the US. They don't. I can understand why you think the way you do though. After all, the President does go around campaigning for peoples votes. But that is only because the States have abrogated their Responsibility in being the Electors of the President. Did you know that our first few President no one in the Public actually voted for? It was just the Electors that voted for them.

 

Since a federal judge ruled earlier this year that ELECTORS are free to vote whichever way they want, and cannot be replaced just because they vote their conscience,we are now saying our nation voting for president and vice president is a complete and total waste of time and BILLIONS in taxpayer money????And as far from being democratic as one can possibly get.

 

We're a Democratic Republic. Not a straight Democracy. You elect the people that actually represent you every time you vote for someone to go to Congress. That is where the democracy part of our Democratic Republic comes in. As I said in the post just above this one you just made...The President doesn't actually Represent The People. Never has.

 

I realize the present one only represents his own self interest, but I never felt that about any prior president, not even Nixon.

 

You were fine with Obama doing it.

 

Yes, that's why we have laws. It's also why cities are full of democrats. They need police all over the place just to make things safe enough to drive to work and back. They need those "keep off the grass" signs, and zoning ordinances, speed bumps, and DUI laws.

It's also why factories are generally built in places where they aren't regulated out of existence. The slickers can have all the laws they want, but that doesn't mean that they should extend into the sticks. Us hillbilllies will deal with anybody polluting our rivers.

Nobody wants to "cage children", but you need to be realistic. What do you want to do with those children?

As for good manners, civility and common courtesy, those are for people who deserve it. We're not talking about strangers who we meet on the road and offer them a ride into town. We're talking about people who have proven that they deserve none of those things.

 

Democrats don't need all those city laws, the people do. I've lived in two of our biggest cities, Los Angeles (born and raised) and New York City (for ten years). You are greatly exaggerating city problems. I never felt unsafe driving or taking public transportation to work and back. The only time my home was ever broken into was when I lived in a quiet, peaceful, low crime burb. But hey, if big cities scare you that much, you could just stay out of them, right?

As for hillbillies doing anything about polution, good luck with that. I also lived for a few years on a farm in rural Kentucky, and the people there couldn't be bothered to give a rat's ass about clean water or clean anything else. I've never seen so much trash by the roadsides, and the garbage they threw regularly into Lake Cumberland, like old refrigerators and other defunct appliances, was disgusting.

What to do with "those children"? How about keeping them with their families? And for the ones without families, how about putting them into foster care or in a dormitory style facility, with clean water, showers, soap and freaking toothbrushes until their cases can be heard?

Who, in your opinion, does not deserve common courtesy? I'm polite even to people that I know are a..holes. That's how I was brought up.

 

The Russians and Saudis have been throwing in their contributions.

 

Only a Democrat would shred the Constitution for political purposes. The EC was conceived by men of enormous intellectual power and written in such a way as to preserve it's power forever. They foresaw the day that some part of the electorate ( in this case the Democrats) would be so consummately corrupt that they would try to engineer permanent damage to the Constitution for an arrogant, unethical, and temporary solution to their political shortcomings. The Constitution is the most remarkable document ever written and you folks treat it like a cheap whore using it and disregarding it as suits you and your questionable agenda. You make me sick.