Burisma paid Joe Biden $900,000 for lobbying – Ukrainian MP

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Kal'Stang, Oct 10, 2019.

  1. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2016
    Messages:
    7,501
    Likes Received:
    8,671
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Oooh! Cool! The next deflection tactic - try to change this into a discussion of something I have not said a word about. Sorry, not playing.

    I'm still waiting for your evidence. Thus far you have a Ukrainian politician who says Biden 'probably' got some money and claims some investigators said something. For a thread whose very title is a definitive accusation that is weaker than a baby in a weightlifting competition.

    So, got any actual evidence to back up your claim or does the programming only extend to muddying the waters so people will lose focus on Trump?
     
  2. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    73,644
    Likes Received:
    13,766
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gordon Sondland, Key Ukraine Witness, to Testify His ‘Quid Pro Quo’ Denial Came From Trump Personally: WaPo
    Gordon Sondland reportedly plans to tell lawmakers he cannot vouch for whether or not Trump was being honest.
     
  3. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    16,389
    Likes Received:
    12,962
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So you have not talked about whether or not Biden did something wrong or not? You have no thought on the matter? Here, I'll change one word in my question just so you can feel better.

    "Why don't Democrats want an investigation?"

    As for the thread title, that is the title of the article I posted. Per the rules of this section of the forum. If you have problems with it, take it up with them.
     
  4. eschaff

    eschaff Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2019
    Messages:
    270
    Likes Received:
    112
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    Thank goodness I said "western world"!

    https://www.transparency.org/cpi2018

    I'm totally unaware of the methodology, and this is "perception", not fact. I'm not sure if it would be possible to find any actual statistics as, in many cases, the governments in power are the bosses of those who would investigate them.
     
    Thought Criminal likes this.
  5. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2016
    Messages:
    7,501
    Likes Received:
    8,671
    Trophy Points:
    113
    ......and the distractions just roll on. How you going with that evidence? Anything?

    Two distractions in one short reply. Do you guys get paid by the evasion, or is it just instinct?

    So, just to be clear, you are happy to ascribe opinions to me that I don't have and you are happy to talk about the title of the thread, but you point blank refuse to provide evidence to support the very premise of the thread. If anyone hasn't worked out the purpose of this thread by now that makes it crystal clear.

    This has nothing to do with Biden & everything to do with Trump. You know it, we know it. But hey, I'm enjoying the show. Its sort of like watching a kid trying to be clever and not getting that all the adults know what they are doing.
     
  6. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    16,389
    Likes Received:
    12,962
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ask Ukraine's Courts as apparently the evidence is there per Derkach. If you had read the links that have been provided you would know that. But hey, keep up the dismissal! ;) You're doing good at ascribing opinions yourself. ;)

    Oh wait, you meant actual evidence that no one in the world except investigators and politicians and courts would have at this point in time didn't you? What? You think that I didn't know what YOU were doing? ;) Asking for things that you know no one in the public has as of yet? Just articles describing what's going on. Like we have every single day. Unless of course a politician lets something out to further their own side. But hey, keep up the good work of dismissal! ;)
     
  7. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2016
    Messages:
    7,501
    Likes Received:
    8,671
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So now we are on to 'and you are too' and a blizzard of emoticons. Looks like I was right, this is like watching a kid try to be clever.

    You have stated as a fact Biden did something. Clearly you can't back that up with actual facts. I guess we know what that makes you.
     
  8. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    16,389
    Likes Received:
    12,962
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Look again. I haven't. The article has. ;)
     
  9. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,292
    Likes Received:
    7,606
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male


    [​IMG]
    US Vice-President Joe Biden told an audience in Ottawa that the world needs "genuine leaders" such as Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.​
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38268887
     
  10. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2016
    Messages:
    7,501
    Likes Received:
    8,671
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Aawww, look at you cycling through the distraction tactics like a big boy. Now we are on to 'pretend the other person hasn't already dealt with an issue and force them to repeat themselves'.

    It really is sad to see Trump supporters reduce themselves to the level of primary school children in the playground. I guess when you don't have any facts it is your only option.

    Still waiting.
     
  11. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    16,389
    Likes Received:
    12,962
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Outta curiosity...do you have anything other than taunts and ad homs? Is that really all that you're reduced to when you can't argue or debate? Kinda sad man.
     
    FatBack likes this.
  12. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2016
    Messages:
    7,501
    Likes Received:
    8,671
    Trophy Points:
    113
    .....and now we're on to 'you're mean, poor little me'. You really are running the entire distraction & evasion playbook, aren't you.

    There is nothing here to debate. You made a statement of fact that you have no evidence to support. Even the guy you claim 'proves' this can't do better than 'probably' and has provided no evidence to back up even that. If you want respect earn it. If you can't back up your claims then don't whine to me.

    Of course, we all know that this thread was never about evidence, proof or facts. It has been a useful window into how you operate, however. Not a complete waste of time.
     
  13. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    52,286
    Likes Received:
    48,679
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And they act like it never happened...it's on tape, from the jackasses's mouth, for crying out loud...
     
  14. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    52,286
    Likes Received:
    48,679
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Post, not poster...if you can. Biden is on tape, bragging. But just focus on the poster "Kal Stang" and ignore Biden... It's pretty lame, but run with what ya got.
     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2019
  15. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2016
    Messages:
    7,501
    Likes Received:
    8,671
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This thread has a very specific topic and the OP is the one refusing to address it. I have continually asked him for his evidence and he can't produce anything better than a Ukrainian guy who says Biden might have got some money.

    Of course, you aren't addressing the topic of the OP either, which is pretty much as expected. Run with what ya got indeed - in this case absolutely nothing.

    Anyway, nice of you to help out your buddy. he clearly can't do this by himself.
     
  16. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    16,389
    Likes Received:
    12,962
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So, you're answer is "No". Got it. TTFN!
     
  17. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    22,694
    Likes Received:
    11,760
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The whole thing, corporations created to receive funds like Rosemont Seneca, is simply a demonstration of HOW politicians construct legal entities to help feather their nest. It is how bribes are distributed, and the Bidens are not the first to do it that way.
     
  18. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,207
    Likes Received:
    14,701
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The Trump bum kissers fail in their desperate attempt to divert attention from Trump's attempted extortion of a foreign leader, seeking a "favor" to discredit a political rival.

    There is no evidence of any criminal activity by Joe or Hunter Biden. Neither the US, Ukraine, nor China has contrived any.

    Politifact and the Washington Post both investigated Trump's evidence-free claim and found no wrongdoing.

    Hunter Biden's work did present a possible conflict of interest. That's not a crime.
     
    bigfella likes this.
  19. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    16,389
    Likes Received:
    12,962
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes...because Politifact and WAPO are such paragons of neutrality and GREAT investigators right? I mean, who needs actual LEO's anymore? Just trust what the "news" media tells ya!
     
    Thought Criminal likes this.
  20. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,207
    Likes Received:
    14,701
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Your blind faith in Fake Don may impair your capacity to accept that neither Trump, with all the vast investigative and law enforcement resources he has at his command, nor the governments of Ukraine and China, to whom he has appealed and/or coerced, have contrived any criminal charges against his political rival whom he is desperate to discredit.

    None. Nada. Bupkis.

    Mindlessly screeching "Lock him up!" may be great fun for Trumpies, but they are pleasuring themselves to no avail in the absence of credible evidence of wrongdoing.
     
  21. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    16,389
    Likes Received:
    12,962
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Where have I once said "lock him up!"? All I've asked for is an investigation. Why are you against real investigators doing an investigation?
     
  22. therooster

    therooster Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2014
    Messages:
    13,004
    Likes Received:
    5,494
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nothing to worry about , young biden stepped down ... because he did nothing wrong. And joe said young biden would never make millions off foreign countries if he becomes president , cuz that aint right . Its only cool to rake other countries when your vice president and when Barack Hussain Obama has your back.
     
  23. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Well this might be the Ukrainian equivalent to CNN or the New York Times.
     
  24. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    41,207
    Likes Received:
    14,701
    Trophy Points:
    113
    When have I ever suggested that I am opposed to criminal investigations where there is credible evidence of wrongdoing?

    Should every political opponent of a US president be investigated by foreign governments whenever that president requests such a "favor"?

    You may want Don, Jr., Ivanka, and Eric to be subjected to criminal investigations in all nations where they have profited, but I do not support such targeting without credible accusations of actual crimes.
     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2019
    Nemesis likes this.
  25. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2012
    Messages:
    16,116
    Likes Received:
    8,845
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Bragging about getting rid of a corrupt prosecutor. Talk about lame:

    https://theintercept.com/2019/09/25...ng-spin-machine-turned-the-story-upside-down/

    Still, when Joe Biden went to Ukraine, he was not trying to protect his son — quite the reverse.

    The then-vice president issued his demands for greater anti-corruption measures by the Ukrainian government despite the possibility that those demands would actually increase – not lessen — the chances that Hunter Biden and Burisma would face legal trouble in Ukraine.

    When it first was published, my 2015 story seemed to have little impact, other than to irritate Joe Biden and his staff. It ran inside the print edition of the Times, not on the front page.

    But somebody obviously read my piece, as well as others like it, because questions about the Bidens in Ukraine suddenly came roaring back this year. Giuliani, Trump, and their lackeys began spreading the false accusation that Biden had traveled to Ukraine to blackmail the government and force officials to fire the country’s chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, to derail an investigation into Burisma.

    In May, when this issue began to surface, The Intercept’s Robert Mackey wrote an excellent piece debunking the lies in the new pro-Trump version of the Biden story. In the process, he provided greater detail than I had included in my 2015 story. He wrote that Shokin had been forced from office at Biden’s urging because he had failed to thoroughly investigate corruption and stifled efforts to expose embezzlement and misconduct by public officials. Biden did threaten to withhold $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees unless Shokin was ousted. But that was because Shokin had blocked serious anti-corruption investigations, not because he was investigating Burisma.
     

Share This Page