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Civil servants like Marie Yovanovitch are the enemy of Trumpery

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Oct 13, 2019.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Explain how you reached that rather bizarre conclusion given she was removed because she was an impediment to the corrupt scheme Crooked Donald and Slimy Rudy cooked up.

    By reading here idiototic report.
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    I was asking for a link to whatever source garyd used to come to the conclusion Yovanovitch is "an enemy of freedom and part of a deep state cabal bound and determined to crush individual initiative, decency and civil discourse in general and Trump by any means necessary."
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In review, I asserted Marie Yovanovitch was removed from her post because she was seen by Crooked Donald and Slimy Rudy as an impediment to their scheme to extort Zelensky.

    So far, no defender of Trump has credibly refuted that assertion or affirmatively proved with any credible source showing why Marie deserved to be removed.

    The ball is in Trumpette's court.
     
    Lee Atwater, Oct 14, 2019
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    I thought you were asking for the Mueller report, we have yet to find out the exact details on why the Trump admin did to her what they did, but it's not sounding good, sounds like she was against corruption and the Trump admin wanted none of that
     
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  4. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, they did earn money after leaving office, key word being after..... Trump is doing it as President - no laws against that while not in office
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    then why are you complaining when Trump breaks the rules and gets caught..... rules are rules - Trump has to follow the rules too
     
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    There was no scheme to extort him...he has come out loud and clear and said he felt no pressure what so ever to do anything

    She was simply returned home because of her disagreements with the President on how to handle corruption in Ukraine. Happens all the time, she serves at his pleasure.
     
    struth, Oct 14, 2019
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  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The perversion of democracy the EC represents is going to potentially be recognized more often as political polarization between urban and disproportionately represented rural areas intensifies.
     
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    Blah, blah, blah - pathetic derision ...
     
    LafayetteBis, Oct 14, 2019
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    I suggest seriously that you look up the definitions of those two words. They are almost identical.

    As for elections, the fact that derision is all you have to offer is a testimony to your ignorance of the matter.

    Never took a course in Civics that lasted more than week, right ... ?
     
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    I took it long enough to know how we elect presidents in our republic
     
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    I never said the Dems did not play the same silly electoral-games as do the Replicants do to win elections. I do say, however, that the Replicants have made an art of gerrymandering!

    You very obviously need to read-up on the subject. Start here: Gerrymandering is the biggest obstacle to genuine democracy in the United States. So why is no one protesting?

    Excerpt:
    Gerrymandering, in a word, is why American democracy is broken - in fact, historically, elections were never ever done properly.

    As a supposed "democracy", we'eve been asleep for two-centuries whilst we allowed the manipulation of voting and thus politicians ...

    I have stated repeatedly that the rules were distorted from the very beginning. Gerrymandering was first employed in Massachusetts by a Governor Gerry.

    Put down the comic-book and read a history-book ... !
     
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    Blah, blah, blah. Of course there is competition - both parties put up candidates ...
     
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    It's not the least bit obvious given your remarks on this forum ...
     
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    Yes a dem Governor. Gerrymandering has been around since our founding and used by both parties...look at. Maryland for example of a massively abused system
     
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    Now that is an interesting statement. As usual it is useless because it has no attendant "factual argumentation".

    Give me JUST ONE piece of evidence of what you have said, and maybe we could have an interesting exchange.

    Otherwise, you've just shat into the forum ...
     
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    I’m not the one whining about a nonexistent popular vote
     
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    Another person who Trump was willing to let go about her business as a diplomat.

    Funny how Dem partisans can't help themselves. It is irrelevant as to why she was recalled but it should not shock anyone who knows that if you badmouth the folks in charge, they probably won't want you to continue..
     
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    Since you failed to comprehend the self-evident nature of the comment I'm not sure an interesting exchange with you is possible.
     
    Lee Atwater, Oct 14, 2019
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    What rules. There ARE NOT RULES - which is why the country is politically in a mess.

    Money manipulates politics. Millions are spent on stoopid TV commercials to warp peoples minds.

    Did you know that some countries forbid political TV commercials - because they influence people in an incorrect way. Which is called "manipulation of public opinion".

    Let the politicians all get down into a pit and thrash it out in debate. And make that debate time free-gratis-and-for-nothing on TV!
     
    LafayetteBis, Oct 14, 2019
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    A corrupted biatch who disgraced the USA. Shame on anyone who defend her on this forum. You are a joke.

    Top Ukrainian justice official says US ambassador gave him a do not prosecute list

    https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/4...ays-us-ambassador-gave-him-a-do-not-prosecute

    Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko told Hill.TV's John Solomon in an interview that aired Wednesday that U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch gave him a do not prosecute list during their first meeting.

    “Unfortunately, from the first meeting with the U.S. ambassador in Kiev, [Yovanovitch] gave me a list of people whom we should not prosecute,” Lutsenko, who took his post in 2016, told Hill.TV last week.

    “My response of that is it is inadmissible. Nobody in this country, neither our president nor our parliament nor our ambassador, will stop me from prosecuting whether there is a crime,” he continued.
     
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    there is most definite rules against a President doing what he did, and he will be impeached by the house over it

    I agree with much of what you said though, foreign money is funding Trump's campaign - sad
     
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  22. LafayetteBis

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    Compared to US-money it's piddling. He reduced upper-income taxation for the purpose of building his reelection kitty. And it worked, as he knew it would!

    Money has been pouring in from the Upper-income Folk. These are the people who think they were born to be rich.

    For instance, people like his own children. They are a class of highly rich people that once existed elsewhere - for instance, Europe. But have long since been taxed out of existence at home.

    Which is why Europeans have rushed their fortunes off to other "climates". The Caribbean offers the same "service" to Americans. Why do you think they all have houses there? It's not only for the Sun&Babes ...

    *Jeffrey Epstein had an apartment in Paris and showed up once/twice a year to do what he did in the Caribbean. A French linkman had showgirls pouring into the place in one of the sleekest parts of Paris. (Yeah right! I'm just jealous! ;^)
     
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    Trump thinks everyone is as corrupt as he is. Do you think so too?
     
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    Do you approve of her shameful conduct? Yes or no. Simples.

    Top Ukrainian justice official says US ambassador gave him a do not prosecute list

    https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/4...ays-us-ambassador-gave-him-a-do-not-prosecute

    Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko told Hill.TV's John Solomon in an interview that aired Wednesday that U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch gave him a do not prosecute list during their first meeting.

    “Unfortunately, from the first meeting with the U.S. ambassador in Kiev, [Yovanovitch] gave me a list of people whom we should not prosecute,” Lutsenko, who took his post in 2016, told Hill.TV last week.

    “My response of that is it is inadmissible. Nobody in this country, neither our president nor our parliament nor our ambassador, will stop me from prosecuting whether there is a crime,” he continued.
     
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    You may want to read up on Lustenko.

    1. Ukraine's Parliament dismissed Prosecutor General Lutsenko
    https://112.international/politics/...missed-prosecutor-general-lutsenko-43086.html
    1. Aug 29, 2019 · Earlier today, Yuriy Lutsenko wrote a letter of resignation from his office. He has been serving as head of the Prosecutor General’s office since May 2016. Related: Ukraine’s Prosecutor General Lutsenko files for resignation

    2. Former Ukrainian Prosecutor: I Spoke to Giuliani 'Maybe 10 …


    4. https://www.newsmax.com/politics/ukraine-yuriy-lutsenko-rudy-giuliani/2019/09/27/id/934680/
      Sep 27, 2019 · Former Ukrainian prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko said Friday that he spoke to President Donald Trum

    6. p’s attorney Rudy Giuliani “maybe 10 times,” NBC News reports. Lutsenko told NBC News Chief Foreign correspondent Richard Engel that he doesn’t know “any possible violation of Ukrainian law” by former Vice President Joe Biden or his son.
     
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