Do you believe that what Trump said on the call to Ukraine was appropriate?

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Was what Trump said to Zelensky on the infamous call appropriate?

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    That would be hilarious. But the timing would have to be perfect, or one of them would resign so the other could pardon everybody involved, and then name another vice President who would pardon him.
     
  2. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sworn by whom? Do you even know? It was the former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin himself. Right ... no bias there. A disgruntled former prosecutor whom every other civilized western democratic nation wanted out because he would not prosecute corruption, including Hunter Biden's employer.

    Is this one of your sources?

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/affid...him-fired-to-stop-investigation-of-sons-firm/

    If so, you should know:

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/big-league-politics/

    Hunter Biden was ill-advised to take a job with a foreign company with questionable history at a time when his father was VP, but there is no evidence of any corrupt acts by Hunter Biden. And at the time Shokin was finally fired, it was after complaints from many countries about his lack of willingness to investigate certain Russia-friendly oligarchs.

    Joe, on the other hand, showed bad judgment in bragging about finally getting Shokin ousted. I agree that maybe further investigation is warranted, but none of this right wing spin changes what Trump did in order to dirty up his primary opponent.

    I don't like Joe Biden much, but I would most certainly vote for him over Trump. Their corruption records are not even in the same sport, much less the same ballpark. In fact, I would vote for a still warm corpse over Trump, like Missouri voters once did over John Ashcroft.
     
  3. Iron_Merc

    Iron_Merc Banned

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    How much damage control can one democrat do? You need to face the facts that your party is going down HARD. The house of cards is coming down. The best thing you can do now is renounce your liberal leanings and come to the light, become a republican conservative. Because that's who will prove valiant when all the dust settles here.
     
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    Well that was quite the rant.

    So is Ivanka leaving the White House or cutting ties to her Chinese connections?
     
  5. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Corruption can be legal. But it's still corruption. You can tell by the smell. I'd like to see sleepy Joe try to make the case that there is no corruption involved in a debate with Trump. That would be worth seeing. But Joe as a Presidential Candidate is dead. The D's made that decision months ago.

    And Hunter Biden has resigned. What Chinese and/or Ukrainian company boards are the Trump children on ??
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How is Trump doing that ???
     
  7. Iron_Merc

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    Dude the affidavit you are referring to was signed months ago before this witch hunt even started. There was no reason for him to lie about it. He would be the man with direct knowledge of why he was fired. This is super cut and dry. I dont know how much clearer I can be. Joe Biden got the attorney general of Ukraine fired by withholding a 1.2B loan guarantee because he was looking into Hunters activities.

    Trump is doing his duty by investigating these corrupt activities. You are believing a delusion perpetrated by the liberal left in conjunction with the liberal media. Very corrupt system the democrats have here.

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    What are Ivanka's ties to the Chinese?
     
  9. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obviously they know impeachment will never get through the Senate, that is why they want to drag it out as long as possible to cloud the 2020 election just like they drug out the Russian Collusion coup for 2018. You will not overturn this election ad you look real bad!
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You think anyone takes you serious after 2016.....and now you are credible going into 2020???
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    He is on tape bragging about quid pro quo, you know the very conspiracy theory the left accuse Trump of.
    My gawd, could you have it any more backwards?
     
  12. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    If you had said that a week ago, I would have agreed with you. Now.... I'm not so sure. I think there is a high probability that there might be at leat14 Republicans Senators who might feel a bit "squeamish" about being associated with a guy who lost the war in Syria when everything was ready for us to win it.
     
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    What a joke. Syria? How on earth you connected Syria with the impeachment. You are losing it mate. And the war in Syria has long been lost. Only a deluded person could possibly say everything was ready for the USA to win. Obama's administration lost it years ago. Do not draw red lines next time.
     
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    Ohhhhhh so now you're a war hawk! Trump defeated Obama's jv team. We had no illusions of bringing an end to a war that's been waged for 200 years. The mission was accomplished. Now the rest of NATO can fight that war if it is so important. The idea Golem, is to fight wars to win......short and sweet. The mideast will fight eachother whether we are there or not. So you and other leftists are now hawkish about getting involved in the mideast?
     
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    Obama got the caliphate out of Iraq and plans to finish off the caliphate in Syria. Which, in fact, were carried out. An alliance with the Kurds ensured that as few as possible American lives would be lost. Not matter how much time it would take. The Kurds were doing the fighting.

    Trump stabbed the Kurds in the back. And now they signed an alliance with Putin and Assad.

    Trump lost the war! That's the fact. And when kids learn this in history books they will pause a moment to ask themselves "How stupid did you have to be to support an idiot like this?"

    I don't know how many Republican Senators today will wonder the same. 14? Maybe?
     
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    Considered evidence in your mind only..................... because you can't see past the end of your own nose.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now Putin and Assad can fight the Turks.
     
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    You only need to make 14 Republicans in the Senate aware of how idiotic it is to give Putin control over Syria So let's repeat that to them every day from now until the final Impeachment day. It's well worth the try. They already know it's idiotic. Now they just to grow some sort of "patriotic bone"
     
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    Oh you big patriotic WARHAWK!!!
     
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    It doesn't matter what people think.
    What matters is can the demoncrats prove it to the senate..
     
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    The Turks and the Kurds will then combine to for a superior fighting force know as “The Turds” who will be a formidable stench in fighting AssPutins.
     
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    1. Not my party. I've been voting as an independent since 1972, never registered with any party.

    2. Republicans are Trump's party now, and he's not a conservative.

    3. Valiant? Are you serious? How valiant was Trump when the Draft Board called his name? As someone whose high school sweetie perished in the battle of Khe Sahn, your assessment of valor is insulting. While my schoolmates were fighting for this country, Cadet Bone Spurs stayed home and worked with his father to deny blacks the right to rent housing in their buildings.

    4. The only one going down is Trump, and he's done it to himself.
     
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    Wow, seriously? Coercing the Ukrainian president to find dirt on his political opponent? Urging him to work with his own personal lawyer? And our Attorney General? is none of that familiar? Apologies if you suffer from dementia or Alzheimer's and have lost short term memory, but it's all over every media outlet on the planet.
     
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    1) Of course you are not a democrat, you just happen to side with the liberals on Trump? lol
    2) Trump is definitely a conservative, look at his supreme court justice picks as well as his stance on things like Abortion and rights for the faith community.
    3) To the best of my knowledge, no one has charged Trump with violating the Selective Service law. His student deferments were routine. And unless someone has new information, there is no legal issue with his medical deferment.
    4) Only people going down are liberal democrats (or people like you who agree with democratic opinion)
    Mark my words :)
     
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    How many times do we have to go through this? He was not "digging up dirt" on a potential rival. He was looking into very real allegations of corruption on the part of Joe and Hunter Biden. We have Joe on video bragging about gettting the attorney general of Ukraine fired? Hello?

    What do you mean when you say urging him to work with his own personal lawyer? And our Attorney General? I just would like you to expand on that if possible. Thank you.
     
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