The impeachment process has some serious flaws.

Do you have some sort of proof that the electors didn't operate that way?

I don't find that obscene at all. Sorry, but the rural folk deserve equal representation and don't particularly like the idea of being serfs to the urban populace.

The system worked exactly the way it was supposed to.

 

No matter the reasons for why the electoral college exists, it does exist, and that means there is no "popular vote". If there was, Hillary would have won and she wouldn't be sitting at home every day eating twinkies and ho hos to work on her cankles. She would actually have a job.

The idea that electors can vote how they want is correct, and they voted as they wanted to. Or maybe as their conscience dictated. Regardless, Trump won the only vote that mattered which is why he's now President.

 

Really? No doubt that is why Gingrich impeached Clinton too

 

Yes. The left had turned full radical.

The constitution is apparently flawed due to the electoral college as well as the impeachment process because the ONLY thing they can focus on is Trump.

 

Did not know that was a high crime or misdemeanor

I guess we will have to throw out the constitution

 

Biden is a rival as are all who are going after Trump’s job. Pointing out the wrong the Democrats did does not justify the bad things the Republicans do. I agree that no one is above the law thus my support for the current investigation intoTrump and the Biden’s. I think those with a vested interest in the outcome of an investigation should have no part in the investigation as to do otherwise is to invite bias into the investigation. For this reason I am against Trump having any part in an investigation into a Democrat who may be running against him in the next election. The claims against the Biden’s are thus far just that, claims.

 

So, you're saying that Biden is above the law. No one should look into Biden blackmailing Poroshenko because Biden may win the nomination? The Treaty we have with Ukraine to work together against corruption --- which has the force of law --- must be dropped because the corruption is perpetrated by a candidate for the Democrat nomination? Imagine if Biden were nominated and it's October 2020 and Biden's corruption in Ukraine, China, and MBNA, all using the US taxpayer to enrich his family were uncovered. Wouldn't Democrats wish they knew before the primary election?

 

and, frankly there is a difference between the same crime by a private Person and the prez of the usa

 

I am sayin that the President should not be involved. The investigation should be left to the DOJ, State Department, CIA and NSA. As for what Democrats wish for, you would have to ask one as I am not a Democrat.

 

I'm sure that Trump himself isn't going to be doing the investigating, so I don't see the problem. He can just turn the investigation over to any of those agencies. Since they are all part of the executive branch, it's still Trump who is going to be the boss.

 

Or not.

Another Giuliani associate has been arrested, making that a total of four.

David Correia, 44, was named in an indictment with two Giuliani associates and another man arrested last week on charges they made illegal contributions to politicians and a political action committee supporting President Donald Trump.

Rudy Giuliani is Trump’s personal lawyer. Trump has all the makings of a mob boss.

Michael McKinley is testifying today behind closed doors as part of the House Democrats' impeachment probe -- less than a week after resigning as a senior adviser to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

McKinley, a former US ambassador, planned to open his testimony by telling investigators that his resignation was driven by his concern that the Department's leadership was not supporting career foreign service officers. In the first hour of the testimony, McKinley specifically raised concerns about the removal of Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch from Ukraine, and how the State Department did little to protect her.

Marie Yovanovitch defied the White House on Friday to testify before Congress, where she told lawmakers that Trump wanted her removed from her post, and Giuliani and associates were paid to make that happen.

All of this follows the departure of another foreign policy expert, Fiona Hill, who decided to step down from her position in the Trump administration in August 2019. Hill,Trump's former top Russia adviser, provided a startling deposition Monday that detailed evidence that senior figures inside Trump's White House were deeply concerned that the activities by the President and those close to him could reach the level of illegal behavior.

Trump was trying to advance his political interest trying to get an investigation of the Bidens started in Ukraine. Yovanovitch would not play along. Trump ordered her fired, and the pliant Pompeo did so instead of standing up for a career state department ambassador.

McKinley was the Senior Advisor to the Secretary of State. He previously served as United States Ambassador to Brazil, Afghanistan, Colombia and Peru. He joined the Foreign Service in 1982, and now the valuable, highly experienced public servant is gone, another casualty of the Trump administration.

 

Actually, that isn't true

Andrew Johnson was a Democrat, and the Republicans controlled both chambers of congress
While the House impeached him, the Senate couldn't come up with the 3/4 votes to convict.

Bubba Clinton the same thing, The republicans controlled both chambers and Bubba barely escaped.

Nixon's case the Democrats controlled both chambers and the Senate wasn't ready to convict until they heard the tapes Nixon tried to hide
if the tapes weren't available they say the Democrat Senate wouldn't have convicted Nixon a republican

Very true, we have always been divided since the Cold war era, but we usually get over it after election day
ever since Clinton was Impeached but not convicted the division started, you could see it during the Bush 43 administration, although 9/11 brought most of us together.

The beginning of the Iraq war was popular until the truth came out, then Obama became president and instead of being the commander in chief he was the divider in chief and now the rift between the left and right is so great under Trump, that its going to take a catastrophic event and a charismatic leader to bridge the rift in the future

It wont be Biden, Warren or Sanders, and it wont be Trump or Pence either.

 

The system depends on the honor and patriotism of good men and women. If that doesn't exist, the system can't work. We will see if the Republicans have any honor left or not.

 

The treaty states that the AG or some other official. Barr would have to be told by Trump and the equivalent would have to be told by his leader that Biden admitted to crimes on TV available in the US. There was nothing there, as Pelosi knows since she announced no vote to get the inquiry underway.

 

The Republicans are slaves to their tribalistic loyalty to party and place party over country, just as the left does. Short of Trump killing a journalist like the Saudi Prince did, I do not see the Republicans taking a stand against Trump.

 

The "unproven conspiracy theory" has been completely debunked. Either, Trump is a complete idiot and he didn't know that. Or, he was using the conspiracy theory as a deception. Trump's real intention was obvious to everyone. He wanted the Bidens investigated.

And Mulvaney just admitted that quid pro quo was used for that purpose. All of sudden, the main defense used by Trump, Trump's colleagues in Congress, Trump's commentators on conservative media, and Trump's friends on PF goes up in smoke.

“Did [Trump] also mention to me in the past the corruption related to the DNC server?” Mulvaney said. “Absolutely, no question about that. But that’s it, and that’s why we held up the money.”

Then he told us that is how things work with Trump. “I have news for everybody: Get over it. There’s going to be political influence in foreign policy.”

Did you read the part about "why we held up the money?"

The reason I ask is because Mulvaney conveniently forgot what he said to a national television audience, the video appearing on every major network.

After Trump’s lawyer and other Republicans distanced themselves from Mulvaney, the White House scrambled to walk back his comments, issuing an official statement blaming the media for misconstruing his words “to advance a biased and political witch hunt against President Trump.” You know, that is almost funny. Does anyone backing Trump follow the news?

“Let me be clear,” Mulvaney’s written statement said, “there was absolutely no quid pro quo between Ukrainian military aid and any investigation into the 2016 election. There was never any connection between the funds and the Ukrainians doing anything with the server . . . there was never any condition on the flow of the aid related to the matter of the DNC server.” Now that is funny.

That is a popular tactic with Trump's supporters because Trump does such outrageous things. The only way to defend him is to lie. Black is white. Day is night.

Truth is a lie!

It is a popular tactic, but it is a moronic and infantile tactic that makes a fool of the user.

Mulvaney hasn't been fired yet. It is probably only a matter of time. Trump doesn't want to make it too obvious.

 

Depending on new and incriminating information, don't be surprised to see the Domino effect...