Uncovered tax documents show Trump kept '2 sets of books' and may have committed financial fraud

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  1. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

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    Not according to your link it saynf property in 2017...property run by an organization he had investments in, which he had given up control.

    His 2017 Fin disclosure has been publicly available and reviewed...well since then
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When everyone around someone keeps going to jail that person is probably a criminal or maybe just incompetent. Perhaps both.

    If you don’t believe a list of people arrested show that an investigation isn't a hoax...
    Then I can’t help you understand.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ”For instance, Trump told the lender that he took in twice as much rent from one building as he reported to tax authorities during the same year, 2017.”

    Also

    The Trump Organization did not respond on the record to detailed questions provided by ProPublica. Robert Pollack, a lawyer whose firm, Marcus & Pollack, handles Trump’s property tax appeal filings with the city, said he was not authorized to discuss the documents. A spokeswoman for Mazars USA, the accounting firm that signed off on the two properties’ expense and income statements, said the firm does not comment on its work for clients. Executives with Trump’s lender, Ladder Capital, declined to be quoted for the story.

    In response to ProPublica’s questions about the disparities, Laura Feyer, deputy press secretary for New York Mayor Bill de Blasio, said of the Trump International Hotel and Tower, “The city is looking into this property, and if there has been any underreporting, we will take appropriate action.”


    “Taxes have long been a third rail for Trump. Long before he famously declined to make his personal returns public, a New York Times investigation concluded, Trump participated in tax schemes that involved “outright fraud,” and that he had formulated “a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns.” Trump’s former partners in Panama claimed in a lawsuit, which is ongoing, that Trump’s hotel management company failed to pay taxes on millions in fees it received. Spokespeople for Trump and his company have denied any tax improprieties in the past.

    In February, Cohen told Congress that Trump had adjusted figures up or down, as necessary, to obtain loans and avoid taxes. “It was my experience that Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes,” Cohen testified, “and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes.”
     
  4. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Who was arrested for participation in the collusion with RUSSIA!?
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    What's it like to have to keep pushing these hoaxes?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have never claimed there was one, only that the investigation led to several arrests.
    Do you always have to distort the arguments of others to make your point or is this a new debate strategy?
     
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    What hoax am I pushing? I posted an article that I found interesting that could explain why trump is making extraordinary efforts to conceal his tax records.

    I never claimed it was true, although with trumps previous dealings it likely is.
    You understand what a current event is, yes?
     
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    "Do you always have to distort the arguments of others to make your point or is this a new debate strategy?"

    That is a dishonest question.

    What, then, are you claiming?

    You appear to be claiming that some nothing arrests prove RUSSIAN! collusion. I mean, why else are you using them to support your claim that the witch hunt into the RUSSIA! hoax was legitimate?
     
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    More and more, our current events are imaginary; while actual events are ignored
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I am saying that an investigation that results in arrests means that investigation is not a hoax — it had merit — even though it did not capture the ‘individual 1’.
     
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    In what way does it show the investigation had merit and wasn't based on a hoax?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don’t care how criminals are caught, as long as they are caught.
    Have you read the muller report or the indictments of the individuals arrested and charged? You should start there.
     
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    Dodge.

    Try again.
     
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    Amazingly, no links to the documents in question.

    Damn questionable word choices too. Vague and sloppy for an article about real estate where the profession and ancillary professions have distinct words to define income. No distinction between net and gross were discussed just words like "made" and "took in":

    ”Trump’s company told New York City tax officials it made about $822,000 renting space to commercial tenants there in 2017, records show. The company told loan officials it took in $1.67 million that year — more than twice as much."

    WTF?

    The article is just unprofessionally written. Vague and lacking in specificity. Specifics necessary when discussing complex real estate investments.

    Let's see the foundational documents. There's a reason why they aren't made available....

    Cheers
     
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    You don't care how people assocated with Trump are charged and arrested.

    Did you ever consider that this might be a problem?
     
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    There is no evidence that Trump committed any type of financial fraud. Stop making crap up.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again, please stop saying I made claims that i never have.
    I don’t care if they are con criminals or dem criminals — I care that they are caught, arrested, and tried.
     
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    I wouldn’t be surprised that on the day that Trump leaves office that the NY District Attorneys office hands him paperwork for irregularities on his financial dealings. His Southern Florida business partners, The Dezer Brothers, are already under investigation for money laundering.
     
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    In 2017 he had given up running the trump organization...it was in a trust...he was president
     
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    Trump is as DISHONEST as they come.:smh:
     
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    Pro Publica? :roflol:

    A German kook blog. Some folks will believe anything.
     
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    I am not interested in the red herrings and diversions. Vman12.....if Trump has given a lender one figure and the Tax Man a different one.....what say ye about those basic things? Both figures cannot be right, and it is the expectation of Trump that a Lender will act upon what he says, and that the Tax Man will act on what he says. Prima facie..fraud ~ one way or the other.
     
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    Not a blind trust as Carter was forced to create. So no, he gave up nothing.
     
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    Before I read pass your post, this post is here for all the post likes: but Hillary, but Benghazi, but Obama, but Hunter, but Uranium..... :)
     

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