How to run an impeachment investigation the republican way.

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    Today, Trump's acting chief of staff gave state's evidence in the impeachment inquiry.

    Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney defiantly admitted today that the President held up military aid to Ukraine in order to pressure the country’s president into investigating an unproven conspiracy theory about Democratic corruption during the 2016 Presidential election. In that very same phone conversation, Trump asked the Ukrainian President to do him a favor, investigate the Bidens, more than likely, the real purpose of the call.

    “Did [Trump] also mention to me in passing the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely—no question about that. That’s it, and that’s why we held up the money,” Mulvaney told reporters today.

    In Trump's world, Mulvaney added, “I have news for everybody: get over it,” Mulvaney said, in response to ABC’s Jon Karl, who noted that what Mulvaney had just described was exactly the sort of “quid pro quo” arrangement that Trump has repeatedly denied. “There is going to be political influence in foreign policy," Mulvaney said.

    This may get Mulvaney fired. That's easy because there is an "acting" in front of his title. Trump prefers "acting" advisors because they are easier to fire than advisors approved by the Senate.

    Speaking of which, Rick Perry quit today as Energy secretary, joining a very long list of former White House staffers. Fact is, the list is historic, longer than any other President in our history. Perry found himself at the center of the Ukraine scandal engulfing the Presidency after he became one of the top liaisons between Trump and his new Ukrainian counterpart.

    Perry revealed in an interview published yesterday that he was directed by Trump to approach Rudy Giuliani to address the President's concerns about corruption in Ukraine. Giuliani is Trump's personal lawyer, and he does not work for the government, nor does he have a security clearance.
     
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    The whistleblower's complaint.
    The IC IG's cover letter to the whistleblower's complaint.
    The incomplete transcript of the July 25 call between Trump and Zelenskiy.
    Trump himself telling reporters on the White House lawn that he did, in fact, specifically ask Zelenskiy to investigate the Bidens.
    The text messages between Sondland, Volker, Taylor, and Yermak.
    And now we have Mulvaney telling reporters and we the people that yes, there was quid pro quo, and that politics are always part of diplomacy and foreign relations, then snapping "get over it."

    That's how Trump World rolls.

    Yeah, sure, I know you'll want to come back and use the latest rhetoric and false narratives to try to justify all of those things and more, but do us both a favor and don't bother. Trump did it, he admitted it, and he's getting impeached for it.
     
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    His admission doesn't count? Mulvaney's admission doesn't count?

    How much smoke do you need to see before you admit there's a freakin' fire?

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    Try not to get any on ya. Right now, that's what Sondland, Volker, and Rick Perry are trying to do.
     
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    That's the White House Counsel doing Trump's dirty work.

    Show me the part of the constitution, or the U.S. code, that requires the House to take a vote before proceeding with an official impeachment investigation.
     
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    We will see.
     
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    So by all means Pelosi should hold a vote on the house tomorrow
     
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    On what, exactly? On whether or not to proceed with impeachment? They're doing that. They don't need to vote on the investigation portion of the process.

    In the cases of both Nixon and Clinton, the Justice Department appointed special counsels. In this case, Trump's pet AG has refused to investigate in any way, not even allowing the FBI to get involved, so the House is taking it on as their constitutional duty.

    This administration refuses to be held to any standards. It is the constitutional duty of congress to provide oversight on the executive branch of our government, but all they do in Trump Land is refuse, delay, deflect, and obfuscate. After hearing Mulvaney yesterday, I'm convinced that they don't even know they are doing anything wrong, or they know and just don't care.
     
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    The "unproven conspiracy theory" has been completely debunked. Either, Trump is a complete idiot and he didn't know that. Or, he was using the conspiracy theory as a deception. Trump's real intention was obvious to everyone. He wanted the Bidens investigated.

    And Mulvaney just admitted that quid pro quo was used for that purpose. All of sudden, the main defense used by Trump, Trump's colleagues in Congress, Trump's commentators on conservative media, and Trump's friends on PF goes up in smoke.

    “Did [Trump] also mention to me in the past the corruption related to the DNC server?” Mulvaney said. “Absolutely, no question about that. But that’s it, and that’s why we held up the money.”

    Then he told us that is how things work with Trump. “I have news for everybody: Get over it. There’s going to be political influence in foreign policy.”

    Did you read the part about "why we held up the money?"

    The reason I ask is because Mulvaney conveniently forgot what he said to a national television audience, the video appearing on every major network.

    After Trump’s lawyer and other Republicans distanced themselves from Mulvaney, the White House scrambled to walk back his comments, issuing an official statement blaming the media for misconstruing his words “to advance a biased and political witch hunt against President Trump.” You know, that is almost funny. Does anyone backing Trump follow the news?

    “Let me be clear,” Mulvaney’s written statement said, “there was absolutely no quid pro quo between Ukrainian military aid and any investigation into the 2016 election. There was never any connection between the funds and the Ukrainians doing anything with the server . . . there was never any condition on the flow of the aid related to the matter of the DNC server.” Now that is funny.

    That is a popular tactic with Trump's supporters because Trump does such outrageous things. The only way to defend him is to lie. Black is white. Day is night.

    Truth is a lie!

    It is a popular tactic, but it is a moronic and infantile tactic that makes a fool of the user.

    Mulvaney hasn't been fired yet. It is probably only a matter of time. Trump doesn't want to make it too obvious.
     
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    Sorry who was being impeached?
     

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