"Let someone else fight over this long blood stained sand"

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  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually "we" (Obama) only armed and supported ISIS for the first two years of the past five years.

    Am I missing something ?
    Am I low information and get my news from CNN or MSNBC ?

    When did Assad or Russia protected ISIS or Al Qaeda ?

    It's only been 18 years since 9/11/01 and the first foreign head of state to call President G.W. Bush after the Al Qaeda attack on American soil was President Vladimir Putin who told Bush that both Russia and America have a common enemy (Al Qaeda and Islamic jihadist) and offered to join America on fighting and defeating Al Qaeda and the jihadist and Bush's response was, no thank you, we can do this alone.
     
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    I think he made a bad move. His goal is admirable. We should take our troops out of the middle east and, frankly, out of everywhere that we aren't involved in combat. The issue is how we do it. This wasn't the way to do it.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you missed something - Obama armed and supported "radical Islamist extremists" including ISIS/Al Qaeda for roughly the first 5 years of the war in Syria .. not "the past 5 years"

    You did miss something - Assad and Russia did not protect ISIS/Al Qaeda - It is the US who has been protecting ISIS and Al Qaeda from Russia/Assad - hence why the only significant Al Qaeda/ISIS presence left in Syria is in the areas that were under US control.

    Very True.
     
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    Assad dropped over 4,000 barrel bombs on his own people in the first 2 years of the war.

    Most Syrian Sunni are not Wahhabi.. You just think everything that moves is Wahhabi.
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    Where did you live in the Arab States or North Africa?
     
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    This isn't the 1970's.

    If Russia wants to jump into the blender, let them.

    We spend FAR MORE money in ME bull**** than we benefit from.
     
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    People said after Vietnam our allies wouldn't trust the US. And then again after the Iraq war. They all eventually come back when they get something from the US. It's just politics.
     
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    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Boot the US and who then would finance NATO?
     
  9. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The moderate Sunni Syrians fight for Assad - over 50% of his army is Sunni. Indeed the Syrian Army dropped a whole lot of bombs on the radical Islamist Jihadists - and unfortunately civilians were killed. That's what happens in a war - Your beloved El Saud has killed civilians - engaged in war crimes - and crimes against humanity in Yemen - but we don't hear you complaining about that.

    Regardless, what does any of this have to do with arming and supporting a radical Islamist proxy army in Syria. If your beloved El Saud (and other nations) had not done this the Syrian Army would not have had to drop the bombs that they did.
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many civilian did we kill in ww2?

    That is the reality of war.

    Yet some of us get stupid if they want regime change and dont want Assad to endure but another person to do the killing of enemies.

    So it in now open season on the radicals in Idlib province? Good.

    And you are right in us using proxies to pull off taking down Assad as PNAC had layed out. Gen. Clarke was advised of that list while bush jr or rather cheney was running the show
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right but, WW2 was a "Just War" .. We had a real big enemy ... a clear and present danger .. attacking us ... at a time when our Military was not that strong. .. until we got into it. We had the Oceans in between .. which gave us time.

    The danger we face - From Syria .. the threat to the homeland - is much lower.. then was Adolf. ..not even on the same page :)

    So it is a bit harder to justify the 400,000 dead .. and associated atrocity/ crimes against humanity.
     
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    OK, I'm game. Maybe that would be for the best if NATO kicked out it's bad boys.
     
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    So does this mean that the "War on Terrorism" is finally over and we Americans can go back to the old school Airport boarding method that was simple and did not involve someone else blue rubber glove hand in our pants?
     

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