Scientism - The Belief System of Atheists

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  1. xwsmithx

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    Right, because no other culture on earth had slaves or treated women as second class citizens. Oh, wait, it was only Christian nations that got rid of slavery and treated women as equals. It's almost as if Christianity is better than other cultures.
     
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    So in your mind America is the only nation without slaves and the only nation that almost treats women equally. Can’t tell you how pathetic and inaccurate your view of the word actually is!
     
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    Rather than them worrying about how to be a good atheist I think they should be more concerned with how to be a good Christian
     
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    Go back to sleep. Your comments continue to make no sense and contribute nothing to the discussion.
     
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    If the conclusion is impossible the premise is wrong. The beauty of logic is that it is the glue that holds reason together. In this case the premise may appear correct but information is omitted.
    The logical error in the whole transgender idea is the false mind-body dichotomy. Or consciousness over existence. The idea that reality is held sway over the concoctions of the mind. that simply imagining something or changing your view of reality will make it so. It is existence that has primacy over consciousness.
    I’m not willing to say logic is error free. To do so delegitimizes logic altogether.
     
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    why would atheists not believe in G/god? any reason or just knee jerk emotional reaction
     
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    So you finally admit that logic is not error free, yet you claim the supremacy of logic. And have stated that everything is governed by logic. And that you are logical.

    Does this show you the error in your thinking, or is this just another example of the error in your logic?
     
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    Any actual evidence, not just your proclamations, that they should believe in any gawd or reason to believe, including evidence? Just continue to spew your nonsense to make yourself feel better. None here take you seriously you know.
     
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    I am a santathist..I don’t believe in Santa..am I a neosantaist?
     
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    Wow , why don’t you just wear a sign saying that you are threatened by leftists?Your projection on what we think is so telling
     
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    I claim it is error free. Read again.
     
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    That may work in math, but it doesn't work in the natural world where humans do not know all the dimensions of various issues. Science explicitly recognizes this. Religion CLAIMS to know this ("god works in mysterious ways"), but in actuality religious argument doesn't actually accept that. Like YOUR claim, it's accepted that arguments are in some sense absolute.

    Another problem is that Christianity claims to be right forever, not just today or some time in the past or future.

    A related problem is that there is no methodolgy for religion to change. It just divides due to disagreements over interpretations. Even logical arguments are discarded simply because they came to a conclusion some segment of the members didn't accept.
     
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    Why don't you just wear a sign that says "You're racist, fascist, homophobic and stupid if you disagree with ME!" Your story never changes. I don't project. I quote you and it drives you bonkers. I can take care of myself. The only way a woman can threaten me is by brandishing a deadly weapon she plans to use against me.
     
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    Sexist much?
     
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    why don't you believe in all the God's out there? cause there is no proof of such God's
     
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    as do Christians... in fact all the same ones except one
     
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    You're confusing "common sense" with "logic". If you can't find the logical error but you "know" that it's wrong, you're not using logic, you're using instinct. This is basically what most atheists are doing, claiming that the idea of God isn't "logical" but not able to pinpoint specifically what the logical error is. All they can say is, "It's common sense!" or "God just doesn't make sense!" or "I need proof!" But none of these are logical arguments on behalf of atheism.

    These are both you:

     
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    I would submit to you that even if a religion had a methodology for change, schisms and fractures would still occur. It's the nature of the beast (humanity).

    Second, when you get rid of religion, you don't get irreligion, you get paganism. And paganism being far worse in terms of morality than Christianity, it's not a good trade-off.

    Could neo-paganism be the new 'religion' of America?
    Witchcraft and pagan spiritualities are on the rise in the United States — especially within mainstream youth culture.

    https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/modern-paganism?rebelltitem=3
     
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    no..you make up quotes and like trump, you believe them sweetie, you don’t have the ability to drive me bonkers.Lol
     
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    I told you the premise was wrong. That is the logical error. There is an excluded middle. A missing link between A therefore B. This violates the law of the excluded middle.
    In common sense: yes not enough information.
     
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    Which part is wrong? Premise: One man can dig one post hole in 60 seconds. Argument: Sixty men can do the work of one man in 1/60th of the time. Conclusion: Sixty men can dig one post hole in one second.

    That's not what the law of the excluded middle means. That means something either is or it is not something, it can't both be and not be whatever it is. So either a woman is pregnant or she is not pregnant. She cannot be both pregnant and not pregnant. That's what the law of the excluded middle means.
     
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    Ok genius. Let me re state.
    I DONT BELIEVE LOGIC HAS ERRORS. But congratulations! You used logic to find a double negative in my statement. Im so proud
     
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    What is wrong is the premise: that 60 men can do the work of one man in 1/60th the time: what is left out is what work that is. What you are referri g to is the law of identity
    Youre wrong on that note. The pregnant woman scenario is relevant in the law of identity. By claiming 60 men can do the work of one man in 1/60th the time without readily defining the nature of that work you are eccluding relevant info thereby excluding the middle
     
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    Are you saying that 99% of people don't use their rational brain at all?
     
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    For me, the "logic" problem has to do with the fact that there is no evidence of there existing a supernatural.

    There are things humans don't understand, obviously. But, lack of human understanding is not evidence of a supernatural.

    I see people pointing this out all the time in arious ways and shorthands. I have no idea why anyone would see the above as illogical.

    I'm fine with you having your god, by the way.
     
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