Why are we a divided Nation?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Hyde Park 63, Oct 5, 2019.

  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Just what do conservatives mean by assimilation anyway? If people come here and don't commit crimes what more are you asking for?
     
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    Of course, we can.
     
  4. LangleyMan

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    This is your source:

    "Jihad Watch is an anti-Muslim conspiracy blog affiliated with the David Horowitz Freedom Center, run by Robert Spencer. Jihad Watch says that it is 'dedicated to bringing public attention to the role that jihad theology and ideology plays in the modern world, and to correct popular misconceptions about the role of jihad and religion in modern-day conflicts.'"

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad_Watch#

    You might want to read what they have to say about themselves:


    Why don't you look at more reasonable sources?



    BTW, your other sources have similar bias problems.
     
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  5. HumbledPi

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    I believe Trump showed his true self in his ambitious pursuit of the five black and Latino teenagers that were originally accused of raping and beating a white woman in Central Park in 1989. He took out a full page ad in the New York Times and other newspapers (the same paper he has banned in the White House) petitioning for a return of the death penalty so the 'Central Park Five', who hadn't been to trial yet, could be executed. "I hate these people" but "I'm not pre-judging at all" he said on Larry King Live.

    These five teenagers were exonerated of the crime, but not until they spent 13 years of their young lives locked up in prison. The Central Park 5, were exonerated by DNA evidence and a confession from the true perpetrator in 2002, 13 years after they were vilified by prosecutors and in the press after being charged and convicted of the rape of a white woman jogging in the park. In June of this year, 30 years later, Donald Trump refuses to apologize for his aggressive attempts to reverse the NY state death penalty law in order to put these five wrongly accused young men to death. Unbelievably, he said something that was very familiar to all of us having said basically the same thing about those white nationalists at Charlottesville; "You have people on both sides of that,” he said when asked about the wrongly convicted five men. To this day, he still refuses to accept their innocence.

    Now, we're talking here about a man that once he bites into something, he's like a lion with a antelope in its jaws, he will not let it go, no matter what. That's not normal, not in the least. And, this is only one tiny example out of dozens of instances that I could site that are similar to the Central Park 5, but not quite as dramatic, that have happened over the past 3 years.

    The problem with this country is in right now has always been Donald J. Trump. He's mentally ill.

     
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    Catholics were considered Papists, and a fifth column since their first allegiance would have been to the Pope. Joseph Kennedy was insistent that his son would become president as a Roman Catholic without having to become Episcopalian - which at the time was the Church of the elite and the most beneficial to one's personal advancement. Not that it mattered any Protestant Church was tolerable, only the RC was not.

    As for Muslims, they do have 'Taqiyya', which makes deception towards non Muslims acceptable. A Jewish person said that the Kabbala also has something to that affect while in Christianity there is no distinction in one's moral behavior towards others regardless of who or what they are. A sin is a sin is a sin.
     
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    Wikipedia's opinion of Jihad Watch says absolutely nothing about Jihad Watch. Calling a site biased just because you don't agree with their opinion only shows your bias. The SPLC regularly calls Christian groups that oppose homosexual marriage "hate groups". That doesn't make them so.

    Also from Pew Research:

    "Support for suicide bombings was particularly high among young Muslims. In the U.S. a full 26 percent of Muslims aged 18-29 admitted they could see justifications for suicide bombing, nearly triple the rate of older Muslims. Similar degrees of extremism were visible in the other Western countries Pew interviewed Muslims in. In France, an astonishing 42 percent of young Muslims said suicide attacks could be justified."

    https://dailycaller.com/2015/11/18/...young-u-s-muslims-okay-with-suicide-bombings/
     
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    You're oversimplifying the case. While the rape and brutal beating of the Central Park jogger was the most notable crime committed that night, the juveniles discussed here beat and harassed numerous people that night. They were part of a gang anywhere from 20-35 strong, and all gave confessions, including naming their accomplices. It's not accurate to say they were "wrongly convicted".
     
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    In other words you agree with Trump that they should have been executed for a crime they didn't commit. Yes, that makes a lot of sense now.
     
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    I'm sure many Christians believe it's okay to lie to a Muslim.
     
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    Now you're oversimplifying my position. Stop it.
     
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    That no migrant accesses any kind of govt assistance, is fluent in the language, does not attempt to subvert our laws via things like forced marriages and genital mutilation, etc etc.
     
  13. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Those are all the law already except for language, and that too applies if they want to become citizens. If you're not dealing with them anyway why must they speak the language?
     
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    Wiki calls it an "anti-Muslim conspiracy blog."
    Is that the way you operate? I said Jihad Watch is biased because it is.
    Some are, some aren't. If they oppose homosexual marriage in their church, they're within their rights. If they seek to impose their view in society, they're wrong.
    What is the nature of the threat an element of young Muslims present to this country? How best to combat it, here and abroad?
     
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    They are still happening in the West, despite our laws. THAT'S the point .. such people don't give flying **** about our laws, because they don't give a flying **** about our nation/s period. They migrate purely for economic reasons. To exploit the 'soft white man'. If you don't understand this, it just means you don't personally know any migrants willing to be honest with you.

    PS: Language fluency is the gesture which tells us the person respects the nation they demand a home from. It demonstrates commitment and integrity.
     
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    We don't like foreigners. They are foreign.

    Why do you want to impose foreigners on the country when so many people don't want them?
     
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    You are referring to Asian immigrants.
     
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    No, you're calling Jihad Watch biased so you can dismiss it without having to counter its facts and arguments. That's how you operate.

    No, they're not. It is every man's right to seek to have society reflect his values, religious or otherwise. I can say liberals are wrong without trying to silence them or refuse their right to promote their views. Likewise, you should be able to say Christians are wrong without trying to silence them or refuse their right to promote their views. You are essentially saying you would give Nazis more rights than Christians, since Nazis are free to speak, to march, to promote their views, but you would deny the same right to Christians.

    I think the word you're looking for is "assimilation".
     
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    Immigrants are fully assimilated when they vote Republican. :D
     
  20. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Whether they're citizens or not:p
     
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    Obviously they can't vote if they're not citizens.
     
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    Where are the facts? You're citing their opinion.
    You assume there are no liberal Christians? Hohhh-Kayyyy....
    I haven't tried to silence Christians. What are you talking about?
     
  23. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Not according to many conservatives, some of whom maintain that illegals are bussed in to vote multiple times and then sent back to Mexico in the buses with "Soros Illegal Voters" in their digital route signs
     
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    And they all vote Democrat, so that's not really a counter-argument.
     
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    Why do you insist on changing your statements?

    Clearly you would prevent Christians from "imposing their view" as you put it. But you don't have that right. You can't impose your views on Christians and prevent them from supporting theirs.
     

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