Pentagon will send more than 50 F-35s to Europe to deter Russia

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  1. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    Just like you are - always showing up to defend Russia and Pootin. You are the best, comrade!
     
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    Yes and no.
    Putin considered the collapse of the Soviet Empire as the largest catastrophe for Russia.
    Was it logical that he annexed the Crimea, sure, lets get over it.
    It was a strategical move and knowing nobody would be able to stop him.
    The most important warm water harbor for the fleet. A no brainer.
    Same with his intrusion or support of the separest, after his buddy got ousted. No brainer, destabilize the Ukraine. Did it work out no.
    Because he hesitated, rightly so. He had expected more, but found out, he needed to send Russian troops to make it work.
    Real war on a large scale, not just a small hit and run and take affair as in Georgia.
    Look at Syria, he secured his military bases, but than he ran a very low profile ops, with which he succeeded.

    Its small budget ops he does with his military, without confronting NATO.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am defending reality - making up nonsense about Russia and pretending that nonsense is true is not how you win.

    You can believe in some fantasy analysis of the position on the board if you like - this however will not help you to make good moves.
     
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    He's done a great job confronting NATO....Baltics, Poland(in a big way), gets a major beefing up and probably will be major bases of operations in EE. Russkis in Konigsberg must really enjoy looking out their living room window to see US Army/Cavalry waving at them.

    Well....yeah he did invade east Ukraine.....otherwise separatists on their own wouldn't be lasted a month. Body counts have piled up for the Russkis...rightly so.
     
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    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    No, you don’t. You are a Russian apologist. You have a good track record here of defending Russia. For everything. Your reality - USA is evil, Russia is a good force and represents the true reason.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know I know - Me, Tulsi, Trump - all "Russian Apologists" for not agreeing with abject nonsense with respect to Russia

    Like the left - all you can do is name call because you have nothing of substance to say.
     
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    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    I have never seen you being critical of Russia. Do a search in this forum for Russia and your username.
    You are a Pootin apologist and there is a reliable record to prove that.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am often critical of Russia - It is not my fault that you make up demonstrably false nonsense and present it as truth.

    Name one time when my comments on Russia have not been the Truth rather than doing nothing but twirl around in a circle calling names.
     
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    Again, I did - first sentence of Post #595.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yup. For such a supposedly shrewd operator, Vlad the Invader has managed to do something that I once thought was impossible - he's made NATO relevant again.

    However, the people who have been wrong about everything (as usual) are the Chicken Little Leftists here in America. Despite all their squawking about how Putin is dividing the West, he has actually managed to do just the opposite. Furthermore, despite all their bawling about Trump's pressure to get the deadbeats in Europe to spend more on defense, he has succeeded in making NATO stronger instead of weaker:

     
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    And you believe the US has done a great job at bringing peace to the ME? We're there because of the oil.
     
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    Trump has only achieved to separate the European NATO partners further from the US.

    Nothing more.
     
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    I wish.

    We need to separate further from NATO and our European partners and get them to play a larger, more active role in the alliance. Threads like this suggest that such a withdrawal won't be happening any time real soon, at least not soon enough for my liking.
     
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    The US can already not compete with the Europeans and their combined economies.
    What do you think will happen if they combine in military matters the same way ?
     
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    Yeah sure....and Putinka is there because he really "cares" about his pal Assad.

    He's there so no competing pipeline makes it Europe that undercuts Gasprom!:smoking:, if Assad ends up hanging from a lamppost somewhere.
     
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    Im not a backpacker. Was a group travel and we stayed at hotels.

    That said, no backpackers are surely not a bigger problem than your systematic mistreatment of your aboriginal people.
     
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    The U.S. economy is outperforming that of Europe so I'm not concerned with competing against them.

    However, I am somewhat concerned with their military weakness given our membership in NATO. For example, their inability to mount and sustain a limited air campaign against a defenseless Libya inspires no confidence in their capabilities. This isn't a knock on the individual soldiers in Europe who have proved their personal courage and skills on the battlefield - their civilian leadership is responsible for this situation.
     
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    The US economy is a consumer economy, that's why the US has trade deficits with Europe, too.
    Yes I agree, the Europeans should have been able to do it.
    But what you see now, is the start of a European defense initiative, small start, but the EU started with the cooperation of 2 countries.
     
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    The US is sending troops to protect Syria's oil fields. Do you think Russia is going to stop that from happening?
     
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    You are so judgemental before gacts are known.
    I'm very supportive and sympathetic of our indigenous peoples. In fact I'd ne more proud being one. But you know all about me dont you?
    Hence to suggest otherwise is not dissimilar to blaming you for being responsible for the Nazi atrocities.
     
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    What tribe are you from? :) tell me about it
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are a number of reasons for that trade deficit, but that's for another discussion.

    I certainly hope that what you're saying is true. It's in both Europe and America's interest that Europeans be able to promote and protect their own security and interests on their own.
     
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    They can try.....it'll result what happened in Deir Ezzor over a year ago.

    Short answer...no.....they only attack Ukraine , Georgia and drop bombs on hospitals and kids in Syria.

    Those oil fields were ISIS influenced, so why wouldn't US protect them.
     
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    Sobo lacks basic manners, add that chip on his shoulder and his soapbox and you have an addition to ones ignore list.
     
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    Well said!
     

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