Pentagon will send more than 50 F-35s to Europe to deter Russia

I know all of that, but the squawking modes and codes are for active radar and are meaningless for a passive radar.
The 2 F35 which came to the German Air Show became in volunteering guinea pigs for the German company.
My guess if the Air Force had known, that the German company had operational systems at the show, the F 35 would have been a no-show.

 

Pasive radar work by analysing the disturbance in the radio wave of an area. If you are using transponder that broadcast noise, you'll detect that as a disturbance.
Passive only means that it isn't itself broadcasting. It doesn't mean it isn't affected by false information being generated by a third party.
Also the test was invalid due to the fact that they knew in advance where and when the planes would pass. It would have been a valid test if they could have detect them, and track them blindly.

 

Thats what a test is about. If you dont know before you have no signature you can show potential customers, no prove.

Explain one thing...the americans planned a big show in Berlin and when they saw that it was trap to test the new radar tehy parked their two F-35 on a parking lot. Their entire show, which had cost the american military millions...was busted.

 

It isn't a test if you don't need the radar to know where the planes are already and the plane are making themselve visible to all system by broadcasting signals all around.
The show was an international one and was paid for by the companies making the different airplanes.

It must really suck to live in an has been country, never able to really reach the boot laces level of their betters. Please tell us how you really feel, you know we so much enjoy listening to you complains. Eh, it's either that or watching some cat video...

 

No, I read it. You said speed matters in a dogfight. That’s incorrect in a lot of cases. The rest of your post was fine but you were wrong where I corrected you.

As for “dogfighting,” we still train to it regularly. It’s getting a feel for max performing the aircraft in relation to another. We also still regularly fly conversions on aircraft we have to visually ID, which puts us inside visual range of a potentially hostile jet.

 

No, codes are not just for active radars. Every sensor utilizes them. I’m sure no one in the -35 community would have given a damn.

 

I do not know about the -35 community, but the presence of the units grounded the planes at the show. They did not know, that a unit was at a local farm, when they left. It was a very good test for the system. So to speak a live test. I bet they learned a crap load and gathered a ton of information.
I am just a layman, but I know that the US can identify Russian/Soviet subs, just by the noise signature. Since this radar works by noise blend out, my guess would be, one could do the same. With enough data develop a blend out signature for each aircraft type.

If I were in the business you claim to be, I would be all over the system that company has developed, because my ars would depend on that knowledge.

By the way, the system is now being tested and evaluated by the German military. If they see merits in it, money will flow into it.
Up to now it is a private development, but the data they collect of those 2 -35, might be just …………..

Its the same ol' same ol' game, every weapon will produce a counter weapon. Same with stealth, at one point some very smart people would find a way to unmask stealth.
Apparently they did.

 

Ah I see, I meant "mattered" not matters. It mattered in the past, in the propeller era, when dogfighting was the norm.

As you say, people still train for it but it's not the ideal use of modern airplanes.

 

The test was valid, because they tested their system, can they detect the noise blend out of a stealth plane, in this case the F 35.
They did not have the flight plan. They just set up in a farm, they rented. Probably at the airfield they had some guy who called them when the planes were ready to take of.
They were apparently able to follow the planes, till they dropped of the horizon of the system.
The system works great with non stealth, but the real live exercise, can it do what it does with non stealth, with stealth.
Apparently it did.
The data collection on that unplanned exercise by the US Air Force, must have been huge, worth millions of RND money

 

Your last paragraph is why people think you don't know what stealth is. There's nothing to unmask.

 

The noise they detected was the transponders...

 

That was the same thought in Vietnam, the F4 had no guns, just rockets and that did not work out that well.
They had to retro fit F4 with guns and than had a new model with guns..

 

From the radar stand point it is unmasking.

 

They detected the disturbance.

Its about the disturbance, not the noise.

Time for you to educate yourself

 

Europe knocks us, doesnt like our politics goes against us in the UN and then wants us to spend billions to protect them. Its time we cut europe loose and told Germany especially stop spending all your money on refugees with your wide open soros borders and DEFEND yourself

 

Do you want to be taken serious ?

 

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Because you dont like my post doesnt make me any less serious, if you disagree with explain why...I stand firmly that Europe should be defending itself and paying for it.

 

This is an interesting thread: I'll just watch for a bit.

 

Every Stealth aircraft is detectable by WW2 radars - according to one of the fellows who was involved in the F-16/A-10 program - Pierre Sprey.


The Serbs - were able to detect the F-117A - and they hit two of them using 1970's Soviet missile technology.

Syria was able to hit an F-35 - again using archaic technology.

 

Noise IS A Disturbance...

 

I agree with Macron.
Germany spending all its money on refugees with its wide open soros borders and you want to be taken seriously ?
Really ?

 

Glad to see you no longer claim Sprey "designed" the F-16 and A-10. Now he was just "involved".

But you've still provided no evidence he has any knowledge of stealth.

 

You have to remember that the F-4 was heavily limited by the rules of engagement over Vietnam which would not allow its pilots to fire on other aircraft without visually identifying them first.

And note that the only Navy ace of the Vietnam War (Cunningham) did it with an early F-4 which had no gun. And Navy pilots by the end of the Vietnam War had attained an outstanding kill ratio over Migs.

 

He knows a hell of a lot more about stealth than you do

 

/ignore you have obviously have nothing to say