5 winners and 3 losers from Election Day 2019

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Duly noted that you are continuing to deny that your BLOTUS called that fascist vermin "fine people".

    End of story.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not a single person in that crowd who was not a Nazi?
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Odd, I see no Trump banners in your images but I did see Anti-Trump rhetoric in the ones I put up.
    Ya, you are correct, I thought the republicans, after they freed the slaves, eliminated the democrat infused KKK years ago.
    BTW, never forget Godwin's law it could cost you the election.

    Actually it would have been the end of story if you published President Trump's complete sentence to put it in context.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Your continued denial of your BLOTUS calling them "fine people" is duly noted FTR.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ahh, the sweet smell of bitterness is in the air this fine morning.
    Election day 2019 is over, get over it.
     
  6. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Why Democrats have frequently done the same thing and often for worse reason. And what I meant was that it was neither Republicans nor Democrats that drew the districts several members of the Congressional Black Caucus represent it was the courts themselves. And some of the districts are at best ghastly even worthy of the political cartoon first condemning gerrymandering..
     
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    Before dems chortle too much over Kentucky one should recall that every other Republican seeking office in Kentuck one by Double digits includ the first African American REpublican AG.
     
  8. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Having seen the number of businesses that have moved out of and relocated to cities like Nashville and Austin, those "threats" aren't actually threats. They are reality. And yes, companies are, and will continue to move, uproot, etc to find places where their efforts are actually valued.
     
  9. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Moving their facilities for tax benefits and oftentimes tax breaks or financial incentives is no different than welfare — just on a larger level. Most of these tax breaks are never recouped by the taxpayers.
     
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    "Welfare"?? Seriously? Laughable. Companies move because it improves the quality of life for their businesses and their employees. I know, to you that corrupts the revenue streams you rely on but so what? You seem to view these organizations and laborers as somehow inherently your property or worse.. That speaks volumes...
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes. Seriously. Welfare.
    Companies move for a myriad of reasons: labor and taxes are two or the biggest. Negative tax rates or tax breaks are a massive incentive.
    How did you get that I viewed anything as “my property”.
    What is the “or worse”?
    That you went on a rant without even addressing what I said... absolutely, speaks volumes.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Blue Wave, Meet Red Wall
    The Democrats won by a landslide in Virginia. The Republicans’ gerrymandered map still stood strong.
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/11/gerrymandering-saved-republicans-in-virginia.html

    On Tuesday, the people made their thoughts and feelings abundantly clear. Democrat Ralph Northam crushed Republican Ed Gillespie by 9 percentage points to win the governorship, and Democrats also swamped the GOP in the state’s House of Delegates races, winning the aggregate vote in those contests by a similar 9-point margin. Most news outlets spun that House of Delegates margin as a Democratic triumph—a “tsunami election” that swept away what had been seen as an ironclad Republican majority. Yet pending a handful of recounts, Democrats seem poised to take just 50 of the chamber’s 100 seats.

    How might a party that wins a sizable majority of the popular vote fail to snag a legislative majority? Blame partisan gerrymandering. Virginia’s delegate districts were drawn in 2010, when Republicans controlled the governor’s mansion and the House of Delegates.
     
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  13. drluggit

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    It's a lesson. When folks like you suggest that you can create an unending and non limited ability to tax organizations, to artificially stratify the economic experience negatively for employees of those organizations, it just never occurs to you that folks would react poorly to those shackles you'd force folks to live in. And yes, I used the term property because I believe that is exactly how you view these organizations and their employees. Typical in the plantation. You expect they will always be there for you to enjoy the fruits of their labors, and never actually value them. That's why you view the states who actively compete for their location as providing them "welfare" because you believe that by terming it that way it might produce a negative reaction in folks, like me. But what you're missing is the idea that folks actually can improve their lot, they don't have to continue to run on the wheel that socialist bureaucracy have crafted for them, and when they do move away, you're stunned by their lack of appreciation for the trap you wrought around them. Yup, companies will move, and move away from the highest cost centers, not just because it makes financial sense to do so, but because companies have finally learned that the yoke folks like you would shackle them too just doesn't make sense to shoulder anymore. Yup. Companies will move. Ask Boeing, or Lockheed, or Nissan, etc. They have all made the choices to leave their high tax burdens and their inability to provide an adequate lifestyle for their employees for destinations that do.
     
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    Gosh.. might it have something to do with where you concentrated your voter turnout? Seems you still don't like living by the rules, even though your team always suggest you're the experts on rules and all... Seems that the rules aren't the real problem, just your and your team's understanding of them.
     
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    I never stated such absurdity
    So you make an assumption on my position based on your own flawed narrative and think that will lead to meaningful discourse?
    Ok...
    Take care
     
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    Gerrymandering strikes at the very heart of democracy.
    I am not surprised republicans are cheering it as “the rules”.
     
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    What an interesting way to characterize a perversion of democracy like gerrymandering.
     
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    That's not true at all. Cutting up districts in odd looking configurations is often the only way both parties are represented at all. Otherwise you could easily cut up districts in a way that minority parties would never hold a seat...
     
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    And of course that barely even addresses what I was talking about. By the way you are only interested in Republican Gerrymandering. By the way Redistricting is done every ten years. because of population shifts. What is being talked about in the above has almost nothing to do with gerrymandering and everything to do with population shifts that occurred over the last nearly ten years now. No matter who does the redistricting in 2020 the districts will have to change to reflect that.
     
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    There have to be some rules, or don't you agree? If you don't like the rules, you, like anyone else, can campaign to change them either by public referendum or the party you choose. But, can you really tell me that the use of gerrymandering on the left is likely any better than when conservatives to it? I bet you can't. I suppose that any model that creates the necessary isolation of the required population will always give you heartburn regardless of who does it.
     
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    LOL... you lefties and your sudden divorce from your obsession with rules and reality....
     
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    It won't be. Much too advantageous to the upside at the moment.
     
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    I don’t care about representing both parties.
    Our duopoly is the issue.
    When 60% of the electorate vote one way and they get candidates that represent them in 40% of the districts the system is broken.
     
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    “Necessary isolation of the required population”...
    Please elaborate.

    I just believe that the voices of the voters should not be ignored or lessened by legal maneuvers so that politicians can stay in power.
    Difficult concept for many of you it seems.
     
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    and yet that's exactly what the left has been doing every minute of every day since nov 2016... it's mind boggling that it escapes many of you
     
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