5 winners and 3 losers from Election Day 2019

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Derideo_Te, Nov 6, 2019.

  1. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2009
    Messages:
    34,260
    Likes Received:
    8,086
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You'd have to prove that's the point. The majority of Americans are not that partisan, meaning they will switch sides on a whim. You may complain now, but it could be a whole lot worse. Both sides do it, and in almost all cases, both sides get representation of some sort.
     
  2. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    41,829
    Likes Received:
    32,496
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How so?
     
  3. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    41,829
    Likes Received:
    32,496
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Jesus christ, reread what you just wrote.
    How is that in any way democracy?

    “It could be a whole lot worse” so people should just accept that politicians are warping the process to maintain power against the wishes of the people.
    No
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  4. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    30,989
    Likes Received:
    28,454
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sure you do. The puerile nature of your suggestion though, well, that is instructive. What you don't seem to recognize is that populations are divided up into quasi equal number of participants. How those groups are identified is what you refer to as gerrymandering. And it's used by both parities to dilute what they perceive as population proximities that produce an advantage for the other party. So, in the case of democrats, they isolate minorities and group them to ensure that minorities are elected from those districts, they group areas of traditional support and carve up conservative bases so as to dilute their effective voice in elections. Yup, we've all lived through what liberal gerrymandering does. So, the voices you refer to are specific to the districts they belong to which seems ironically, to offend you. And if a specific district over represents, your theory is that their participation should take away the rights of other districts who might not have similarly over represented? We fought a revolutionary war to overcome exactly that kind of thinking and tyranny of a majority that wasn't representative. But for some reason, you think just your point of view is necessary. Thankfully, the law protects us from exactly that level of selfishness and corruption.
     
    ButterBalls and Blaster3 like this.
  5. Blaster3

    Blaster3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2018
    Messages:
    6,008
    Likes Received:
    5,302
    Trophy Points:
    113
    they like to project themselves upon others, that is why they say all those things about conservatives, the right & trump... it's how they see themselves but are afraid to admit it, so they pretend the problem is with every one else...
     
    ButterBalls and drluggit like this.
  6. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    30,989
    Likes Received:
    28,454
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We don't have a democracy, we have a republic. We uphold democratic ideals within it. Perhaps you could crack a book now and again....
     
  7. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2009
    Messages:
    34,260
    Likes Received:
    8,086
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We don't live in a democracy, if you haven't figured that out by now, you are in for a world of disappointment. Politicians aren't warping the process they are attempting to ensure people are represented, although the party in power always attempts to stack the deck in their favor, that's how the world works...
     
    Blaster3 likes this.
  8. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    41,829
    Likes Received:
    32,496
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I am sure you would be so supportive if democrats were the one with the advantage.
    Wanting the majority to have their voices heard is not selfish, thinking your ideology is so superior that it should overrule the voices of the majority is.

    Also, you need to read up on why the revolutionary war was fought, it wasn't because the voice of the majority was being listened to.
    Quite the opposite in fact.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  9. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    41,829
    Likes Received:
    32,496
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    This is absolutely warping the process.
    I cannot imagine being such a partisan hack that I would defend these people subverting the will of the people so easily.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  10. Blaster3

    Blaster3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2018
    Messages:
    6,008
    Likes Received:
    5,302
    Trophy Points:
    113
    if you have to ask, then i'd suggest you open a window, crawl outside of that bubble the msm has made for you, and take a big deep breathe... then get back to me
     
    Jestsayin and ButterBalls like this.
  11. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    41,829
    Likes Received:
    32,496
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    “Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.”
    ― David Frum, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic
     
  12. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    41,829
    Likes Received:
    32,496
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So many examples you cannot even list one?
    Ok...

    Again, how are the voices of the people being ignored by Democrats?
    Think about it, and get back with me. Concentrate on the word in bold.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  13. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2009
    Messages:
    34,260
    Likes Received:
    8,086
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They aren't subverting the will of the people, they are attempting to ensure that people are represented. It would be easy to cut the maps so that one party never lost, and it would appear 'fair' in most ways. This has been going on since the country was founded, not sure why liberals are such whiny punks about it now, we survived this long and will continue to be just fine...
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  14. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    30,989
    Likes Received:
    28,454
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Democrats have a long history of enforcing their advantage. That's why it's so important to vote, and the state level offices are where this happens, so it's why republicans have been so involved in the process to get the votes to modify the atrocities that democrats installed in so many states. And, for the most part, it's worked. But then, we were willing to work at it. Something that seems too onerous for the demand it now crowd, for sure. I would hesitate before you proclaim your own predilection as the majority though. Facts, as they say in court, not in evidence....
     
    Blaster3 and ButterBalls like this.
  15. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,409
    Likes Received:
    26,535
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Prove it.
     
  16. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    30,989
    Likes Received:
    28,454
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Maryland, NC,NY, CA, i mean, there's like a pretty long list....
     
    Blaster3 likes this.
  17. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    26,997
    Likes Received:
    11,048
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I never denied your president calling "them" fine people.
     
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2019
  18. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    41,829
    Likes Received:
    32,496
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Discussing something on a form designed to discuss politics is not whining.
    When did cons become such anti-democratic trolls?
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  19. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    41,829
    Likes Received:
    32,496
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Specific policies.
    Republicans not being able to win because they do not represent the people are another issue entirely.
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  20. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2009
    Messages:
    33,092
    Likes Received:
    15,284
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Democrat Beshar only won by +0.4 points.

    All other GOP candidates in Kentucky won their races by significant amounts. Some by double digits.

    And in New Jersey, the GOP flipped three Democratic seats.
     
  21. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2009
    Messages:
    33,092
    Likes Received:
    15,284
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Hillary won Virginia by over 5 points. Virginia has been slowly trending Democratic for years now. Democrats gaining seats in Virginia is not breaking news.
     
  22. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    24,711
    Likes Received:
    3,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Like I said, some do, some don't; the ones that move out are generally replaced by other businesses; at least that's my experience where I live. Of course I cannot speak for the rest of the country.
     
  23. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Thank you for establishing that you were wrong when you fallaciously denied that your BLOTUS "likes Naziism"

    Have a nice day!
     
  24. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    26,997
    Likes Received:
    11,048
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I never said he "likes Nazisim".
     

Share This Page