READ: House Republican witness list for impeachment hearings

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  1. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Since none of the witnesses the Democrats are using have experienced any of the allegations first-hand, then they don't qualify as a witness at all...
     
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    I reckon Yovanovitch, Vindman, Sondlands and Taylor have given first-hand evidence with some hearsay as well. The other thing to remember is that the Rules at this stage do not equal those that apply in Court Rooms, and further....much as I dislike it....but this seems to be the way your Constitution operates, the House majority control its own proceedings, as does the Senate, with at least one potentially saving grace...The Senate Trial (if there is one) is presided over by a Supreme Court Judge.
     
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    None of them were present during the call.
     
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    That might be true, but (as I am sure you have been told many times already) this is not ONLY about the call.
     
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    It is highly unlikely that Schiff will approve. I am sure he would find these witnesses to be disruptive of his Soviet style commission.
     
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    Oh my that would be a huge mistake on the part of the Democrats.
     
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    Christmas will come soon enough.
     
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    No. Even if Biden explicitly confessed to a crime, Trump's behavior of pressuring Ukraine to announce a new investigation against a domestic political opponent while he simultaneously and unilaterally held up hundreds of millions in military aid, a requested meeting, and a restoration of trading rights is an abuse of power. Even if Biden "shot someone on 5th Avenue in broad daylight," trump's behavior or trying to hide, lie about, and actively hinder the investigation by ordering all current and former employees to keep their mouth shut is an obstruction of justice.
     
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    He did not pressure Ukraine!!! The Ukrainian president made that extremely clear as did the transcript of the phone call. That is your spin based on media talking points.
     
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    Bait and switch. Having said that, though, I think the Dems should allow any of the Rep witnesses through. Otherwise, they will cry foul (even more).
     
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    Good grief!

    The letter is a FISHING EXPEDITION with the sole purpose of CHUMMING the waters so as to OBFUSCATE the crimes of the BLOTUS.

    When they are DENIED those fake "witnesses" they will fallaciously PRETEND that the BLOTUS was denied due process.

    At least with Nixon the Republicans had the COURAGE to stand up for the Constitution.

    This bunch of clowns are just kissing his ring while ignoring what just happened in KY.

    Sad!
     
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    LOL at "even more"... If they get all of their witnesses physically carried into the hearing room on Schiff's back, they're still gonna cry foul.

    Most of those "witnesses" simply aren't... I predict they'll get 3 of the 9 (or more) listed..
     
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    Giuliani is become a liability for the BLOTUS and vice versa. I suspect that Rudy has opted to throw the BLOTUS under the bus before he finds himself under it.
     
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    WRONG!

    Vindland was there!
     
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    If the Democrats are right about Trump then giving Republicans enough rope to hang themselves works in Democrats favor.

    The only reason to deny the Republican requests is to hide something. Or are we using the convenient double standard?
     
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    Your BLOTUS has been OBSTRUCTING witnesses from TESTIFYING before the committee so what is your BLOTUS hiding?
     
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    Why are the individuals like Biden or Archer, which would make the impeachment about Joe Biden, or Nellie Ohr, which would make the impeachment about Hillary Clinton, why are those people relevant to trump's behavior?
     
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    To quote my Contracts law professor, "If you have to say that your point is clear, then it is probably not very clear."

    The Ukrainian President's made, while standing next to trump and trying to negotiate for additional support from the US and not made under oath, is not dispositive. Neither is the memorandum of the call - even though it explicitly supports the claim that he did place pressure when his immediate response to the Ukrainian Presidents discussion of a need for military aid was "would like you to do us a favor" - in light of the fact that we know the campaign to pressure Ukraine was far, far more extensive than a single phone call.
     
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    In a regular American style House hearing with regular due process procedures it is none of your nor Schiff's business or concern.
     
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    He did just hire 3 lawyers and immediately tweeted that he was not acting as a government official, but solely in his personal representative capacity of trump.

    So yea, I think Giuliani realizes that Trump eventually turns on everyone.
     
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    ...establishing relevancy is a pre-requisite to permitting any of those witnesses to be called in a "regular American style House hearing with regular due process preocedures."
     
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    And the need to "establish relevancy" just becomes another side show to DISTRACT attention for the crimes of the BLOTUS.
     
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    Your saying the call placed pressure on Ukraine is subjective i didn't get that in the slightest when i read it..
    You have voleker texts explicitly saying that Trump wanted nothing from the Ukrainians other than for them to do the right thing.

    It is clear that Trump was seeking vindication for 2016 not interference for 2020. and. That. It totally legit.. furthermore Trump got nothing from Ukraine so quid pro quo never took place and was never intended. If Trump was up to something baf in Ukraine it was not related to anything in this investigation .

    The world would be a lot better if we ignored professors more. Most of them are over educated, over opinionated and dumber than a box of rocks.
     
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    None of that explains WHY your BLOTUS refused to release the hundreds of millions of dollars to Ukraine?
     
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