I truly do fear for our country, just as an American

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  1. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    this is actually pathetic. The first part that Trump is the best president ever sounds like you are quoting Trump talking about himself. What makes him the best president ever? Do you think dividing the country in ways that has never been divided before is a good thing? Do you think a man who talks to his base like they are stupid children is a good president? Do you think a president who brags about molesting women and going into teenage girls locker room is a good role model? Do you think a man who created a fraudulent university is a good man? Do you think a man who couldn’t get a bank In America to loan him money is good I just don’t understand how you could say he is the best president ever. I think that’s so sad but what is even sadder is that you believe that the scandals are made up even though you see and hear with your own ears and eyes the terrible things he has done, that even republicans don’t deny...trump said his base would defend him no matter what
     
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    You are right, we do fear Trump and so should you but his base isn’t smart enough. For example you talk about Russia. Even the Republicans admit that Russia was involved in our democracy but yet you don’t acknowledge that... you call it fake news, just the way trump wants you to. You deny what you hear about Trump with Ukraine and probably call it fake news. We are not willing to bring the country down in flames we are trying to save it from a man who is a pathological Socio path.
     
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    Next year will make it four years. So yes, its nearly been four years.

    The unemployment numbers can look good, and people can still hurt economically when they have to work more than one job involuntarily.
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Yet Mueller's report never exonerated Trump on either Comey or the misleading tweet that can be counted as obstruction. So the man isn't innocent. And likely guilty. A innocent man would not have just gotten up and moved out of a state where he is being investigated for notorious crimes if he was in fact innocent. Hopefully the Southern District of NY can just pass their investigations onto Florida authorities.

    The very reason Trump wasn't charged isn't because he was proven innocent, its because of the protocol that you can't indict a sitting president.
     
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    He isn't innocent, and likely guilty?

    Have you completely abandoned the presumption of innocence?
     
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    Yet we just won power in Kentucky, Missouri, and flipped a lot of Virginia. Last year, we got a Democratic win in ruby red Arizona. We enjoyed a fair number of wins in 2018, so I don't think the issue is losing power. Remember, go back to the popular vote, the will of the people. America is a progressive nation, and the numbers don't lie.

    We have the 25th Amendment, which addresses the fitness of a president. In the same constitution that holds the second. Mueller's report never actually made the case Trump is innocent, there can still be incriminating evidence as far back as the Mike Flynn investigation, and the only thing keeping Trump in office is DOJ protocol that you can't indict a sitting president. Trump acts a lot like a mob boss, just take a look at how he doggy paddled the waters of witness intimidation to try keeping Michael Cohen from testifying. He values loyalty to himself above all else, and will throw nearly anyone under the bus.

    And if we're going to try talking bad about the Mueller investigation, I can easily go into the many indictments of Trump associates and a conviction of a Russian national who was helping Trump in 2016 if we really want to go there. Obstruction is simple. Firing a FBI director for investigating probable causes of a crime being committed by a national security advisor is obstruction. Writing a misleading tweet about the Trump Tower meeting in 2016, when there's an open investigation into that meeting, is obstruction. The intent makes it more criminal over the deed itself. Trump fires Comey, tells the whole world he was worried about Russia at the time, Trump Jr talked about Russian adoptions being discussed at the meeting, when that supposed topic was never discussed. .

    Those are the facts. You can label them as fiction, but it doesn't change the reality. You can be a mere optimist and say what I just described above never happened, but it did.

    It's the GOP senators who continue to side with Trump on well, everything, that are tarnishing their credibility like Graham. It's those senators that will be fighting to earn reelection, when the time to get off the Trump Ship is now. It's sinking faster than the Titanic.
     
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    Balto Well-Known Member

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    No, I haven't.

    But Trump's actions don't seem to be indicative of being innocent. Fleeing the state of which you're currently being investigated looks bad, lashing out on Twitter looks bad, an innocent man has the right to be angry at those who are accusing him, but the way Trump acts doesn't look like a man who is presumably innocent, it looks like a man who is a crook, and is fighting to get away with having his hand in the cookie jar. An innocent man doesn't scream witch hunt during the Mueller investigation, he simply either makes his case or keeps his mouth shut to avoid incriminating himself until Mueller is done.
     
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    I don't even read well written posts this long.
     
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    Wow, now I see why some think that math is racist. Next Jan 20 will be three years that Trump has been president. Next Jan 21 will be three years and 1 day that Trump has been president. When you're evaluating time a full 365 days must pass before you can label it as a year. Now, you are correct when you conclude that next Jan 21 President Trump will be in his 4th year of presidency.

    Yesterday I couldn't spell ignorant liberal today I are one.
     
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    Prosecutors either have sufficient evidence to indict or they do not. We are presumed innocent under the law, we don't need some crooked dipshit like Mueller to "exonerate" us.
    Again you have this backasswards. We are innocent unless proven guilty. No one needs a witch hunt by these vile morons to be "proven innocent". Innocent IS our state before the law unless proven otherwise.
    First that's wrong. Mueller could have filed a sealed indictment to be pursued after Trump left office. If the AG disagreed, then he would so state. Mueller didn't indict because he have evidence that would support indictment, because Trump wasn't guilty of any crimes.

    As for your fantasy that "Trump Fled New York to avoid indictment" that's silly. Trump still does a lot business in New York, his moving changes nothing in the Southern Districts activities. Estate taxes in FL are ZERO whereas NY is at 16%. Do you know what 16% of $3B is? Yet you stand in puzzled wonderment over why Trump moved from NY to FL? Do you know how many Floridians are former New Yorkers?
     
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    I bet you said that O.J. Simpson was innocent too
     
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    This is too easy, but only those NOT infected with TDS will understand.
    Trump will go down in history as being perhaps the best president ever!
    And here's why...

    Trump speaks the truth when he says the mainstream media is dishonest and the enemy of the people.Trump is 100% correct when he said that there are some really bad people coming into our country illegally.Trump had the courage to point out that radical Islam is a threat to the security & future of America,

    With that said, there will be division between those who know the truth and those who believe the lies.Truth = GOOD and LIES = EVIL and the future of America will depend upon who wins in this war of Good Vs EVIL.

    Before Trump arrived on the scene, EVIL was winning!

    Actually, due the the dumbing down of America via the leftist/socialist controlled schools & universities, a large percentage of Americans can barely read or write correctly. Social media content is proof when you see the lack of basic skills in the posts people make on a daily basis. Trump understands this and he speaks in simple terms that all of America can understand and relate to. THIS makes Trump an extremely effective communicator and so much better than the politicians that attempt to make themselves look brighter than they actually are by using a high level vocabulary that so many poorly educated Americans can't actually understand.

    In general, and often times, rich & powerful men tend to attract women who will use their sexuality to get what they want from these men. Since most men are highly driven by their sexual desires, they become easy targets by these women and most men, at some point, will take advantage of the sexual opportunity. Trump simply pointing out this fact (women freely offering sex) to someone in a conversation he thought would be private was a mistake because it came back to bite him, but it simply tells me, Trump is a normal heterosexual male. In light of all this temptation, if the worse thing Trump ever did was go into a locker room of full of partially nude beauty pageant contestants and sneak a peek, then I'm thinking it's not right, but not really that big a deal. I'd be more concerned if he acted on it like Bill Clinton with Monica Lewinski by using his powerful position to gain sexual favors which actually wound up ruining her life (and her blue dress too). :)

    I would need a lot more details on these 2 issues and also Trump's side of the story before commenting specifically. HOWEVER, I do know for a fact that in his lifetime, Trump owned over 500 businesses. If he did that all with money he earned because no bank in America would loan him any money, then let's add FINANCIAL GENIUS to his BEST PRESIDENT EVER status. On Trump University, we really need to look deeper. How involved was Trump in this 1 business out of 500 other businesses? Who actually ran the business? Is it possible that those he hired to run it did a very poor job and that's the real cause of all the problems? How many people won or lost settlements as a result? I did some research on this topic a few year ago but never found enough info that would have implicated Trump himself as purposely scamming people.

    Here's why. I have known for over 20 years that the United States is under attack from within with insidious plans to change it from a free and prosperous nation to socialist nation in a new global power structure where the American people will eventually lose much of their rights, freedoms, liberties, and likely much of their personal wealth that took a lifetime to earn. So along comes Trump. He's aiming to take the country back and making good progress to save an entire NATION!!!! And you are worried about What???? His vocabulary? His locker room talk about women? Refused bank loans? One particular failed business venture out of 500 others?

    In other words, the house is on fire, your entire family is still inside and everything you worked for your entire life is about to be destroyed and you are upset because someone just informed you that some of the firemen who just arrived had said something politically incorrect 10 years ago and one of them was caught stealing some candy at the local convenience store, so you want them all off your property.

    --pete--
     
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    Yes, first they said Trump was guilty of "collusion". When that lie ran out of gas they tried something else, and that ran out of gas too, so the cycle of bogus cries and outright lies of high crimes against Trump will continue as long as he remains in power. Evidently, you bought into all the lies and I didn't. Did Trump actually commit a crime or are all these claims simply a political tactic intended to gain votes for the Dems in upcoming elections?

    In spite of all the efforts to sabotage Trump, he's still making great progress and able to undo and reverse much of what the leftist socialist anti-American politicians have accomplished over DECADES!!! That's why I say BEST PRESIDENT EVER and you say IMPEACHMENT. We are on totally opposite sides.

    Bottom line, one of us is right and the other is wrong. At this point in time we each have our own realities and opposite viewpoints that are probably more a result of where we each get our news & information than our individual IQs. However, over time, the truth will be revealed and one of us will be proven correct. Time will tell. :)

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    Obstruction of justice, in United States jurisdictions, is the crime of obstructing prosecutors or other (usually government) officials.

    Yes, Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice. That's not a bogus lie, going back to the textbook definition above. Comey (government official) was fired because he was investigating talks of Russia sanctions. The attempt was made to throw Mueller's (government official) investigation off with the misleading tweet about Russian adoptions. That context in itself proves Trump obstructing justice is not a lie. I never thought Trump colluded directly with Russians, but rather that his campaign did. I tend to believe the intelligence agencies.

    All I can say is an innocent man's administration wouldn't be trying to keep officials from testifying about a July Ukraine call if there was actually no quid pro quo to be found.
     
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    Even if they do have evidence, protocols forbid indicting a sitting president. You can thank Clinton for that, which has come back to bite us in the ass. Trump might like the prisons in Florida much better. Again, the fact Mueller did not exonerate Trump means the man simply could not come to a conclusion. It's clear as day that Trump obstructed justice, Mueller was investigating something completely different.

    It;s simply coincidental that Trump would move out of a state so quickly when its the same state investigating him.
     
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    While your claim has merit - and true for our Blue establishment wonks - it is just as true for Red Establishment.
     
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    mueller is crooked?I guess anybody who says anything bad about Trump is crooked. Miller happened to be one of the most respected man and by the way he’s a
    trump has you right where he wants you...everything is a conspiracy!!
     
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    yep, bribery!
     
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    Your claims are far richer in fantasy than fact, and if that's your choice, that's your right and I support you a hundred percent in your choice.
     
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    The timing wasn’t perfect, that we can agree on.

    Criminals can’t hide forever, all SDNY has to do is send reports of reasons to believe crimes were committed to Florida authorities
     
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    There is hope.

    Highly respected Republican rep Peter King from New York has quit. He gave the usual B.S.about wanting to spend more time with his family.

    The 75-year-old Republican says he intends to still be politically active. So, why is he quitting? By resigning his post, he will have no impact on politics. There is only one possible explanation as to why the moderate Republican is quitting, and his name is Trump.

    King is the 23rd House Republican who has quit or will quit in terms of the 2020 election. They join over 40 Republicans who quit before the 2018 election, providing the reason why Democrats took control of the House.
     
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    We have listened to the screams from the left for 3 years now so we are definitely informed. There are no options, capitulation is the only offer. No thank you very much.
     
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    You blame Trump but perhaps it's the open and very real hostility from the left that wore him down?
     
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    Even if true none of those are impeachable offenses. They are reason for you not to vote for him but not to remove him from office. If the left's values are so strong then explain Omar and the brother/husband surviving?

    To Americans above the age of 40 the things the Democrats are campaigning on sound completely crazy but they are getting traction from the demographic below that line. Y'all gonna have to live with this after we're gone, be careful when buying bridges.
     
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    Trump's changing of his domicile has no effect on SDNY.
     

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