There’s a Surprisingly Plausible Path to Removing Trump From Office

Absolutely, if it causes people to vote their conscience instead of voting their fear...

I think it would be hysterical to have a private vote first, then a public vote, and watch the scramble when the numbers don't remotely match up...

 

The electoral college wasn't my point. I was just correcting your error.

 

More fantasy, like the collusion delusion. Trump has record GOP support among the rank and file, I have no reason to think it would differ significantly among GOP senators.

 

More voters went for someone other than Bill Clinton, so no error. To the LW, that only makes a POTUS not legit if their name is Trump.

 

Bill Clinton received more votes than any other candidate. Trump did not. Clinton won with a plurality of the popular vote; Trump won with a minority of the popular vote.

 

You mean except for the 2 named Republicans who think there could be 30+ GOP who might vote to convict that way??

See, it sometimes pays off to actually read the OP link...

 

One thing to clear up is that nobody is being disenfranchised. Nobody who voted for Trump is having their vote ignored, as the Electoral College did indeed do to 3 millions of voters who voted against Trump in 2016. Trump did become and has been the President but in our system even the President is not above the law and can be removed for criminal misconduct, as is being done here. What the Republicans want to do is legitimise the idea that there is no actual law as to how one becomes President, nor any law that applies to the President once he is in office, thus effectively overturning the Constitution and replacing it with a dictatorship

 

Fear of what? Don't the people who elected them have a right know their conscious and hold them accountable for their votes? Talk about DEEP STATE. Why not have secret votes on EVERYTHING then?

 

Which of course it did not, they voted in their state and their state only. If Trump won their state so be it.

 

You are basing your statement on the false premise we all vote in one election, we don't. There is not THE popular vote, there are 51 separate and unique popular votes adding them all up does not necessarily reflect what would be the outcome of a single popular vote.

 

I'm a supporter of impeachment, but recognize it's a "political process" and as such "public opinion" will play an important part of the outcome. A "secret vote" would IMO be unacceptable to the electorate and suggest a "Star Chamber" (read Deep State) process. IOW, it's a bad idea that isn't going anywhere, other than convince Trump supporters that they are right about the Deep State.

 

It is very big of you to admit that you don't care. The majority of Americans don't know what it is like to work 14 hours a day growing a crop that may get wiped out before harvest. Why should the mob get to tell them how to live?

 

Fine, then you''ll have no objection if they actually do so.

Right now there is the high probability that the highly organized and national in scope faction of Trump supporters backed by dark money is exerting undue influence on the Senate through the threat of being able to back Primary challenges on any who might vote for impeachment. A vote in secret would remove this threat and allow the Senators to actually vote their real feelings. A victory for Trump under this circumstance is a ringing endorsement for his Presidency, A victory under the present conditions is nothing more than a hollow mockery, as this administration has been throughout its existence.

 

I am doing no such thing. I am merely pointing out that there is a difference between being elected by a "plurality," and being elected by a "minority." It applies to any election...local, state, or national.

 

so Republicans bitch about the process being in the dark to the public and this is a real life Democrat floated idea? Right into the republican talking points lol

 

what's that saying that Democrats are saying about Biden? Two wrongs don't make a right. Im sure it applies to your above statement

 

The task before the Democrats is to secure public support for a conviction on impeachment. They cannot complain about Trump's own lack of transparency and simultaneously support a Senate process resembling a Star Chamber.
Also...Biden is a red herring. The element of the quid pro quo that makes it a partisan issue and ensures voting on impeachment along party lines (a win in the House; a defeat in the Senate). IMO, the real issue is Crowdstrike and the Trump effort to reverse the conclusion that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. That is a national security issue. Why does he keep protecting Putin?

 

The majority of us make our living by working many unrelenting hours every day, day in and day out, We don't plough a field, put something in it, and then do really very little else but watch it grow until it makes our fortune some time later. Farmers work hard and are necessary, but so is everyone, The basic American principle is that nobody is inherently better than anyone else

 

Because Putin is his mentor. He wants Trump as his obedient American oligarch and Trump is more than willing to be so. Trump's entire Presidency is a scheme by him and Putin to literally take over the world and the Republican traitors in Congress are helping them to do so.. His MAGA minions are unwitting dupes, so blinded by bigotry that they cannot see that our nation is being stolen before our eyes.

 

Self-employed farmers number roughly 600K - 700K, or about the same number of people employed in the mining industry. They are an important part of the economy, but in terms of numbers, a relatively small percentage of the total work force. Historically (and globally) they've usually been a loud and outspoken political segment, with influence exceeding their numbers. I've never met a "rich farmer," or at least a farmer who admitted being rich.

 

*LOL*

so what I hear you saying is i want to subvert the American voters. Anything that gets rid of Trump is good.
it is absolutely essential that lawmakers be held accountable for how they vote..

 

untrue

 

I basically agree. The curious thing is that Trump has hidden his pro-Russian policies and consequently the GOP seems to ignore same. My theory is that Trump's pro-Russian behavior is motivated by either personal fear of exposure of some illegal or embarrassing acts connected to Russia and/or a strategic goal of forming a new global OPEC with the Saudis and Russia to control global fossil fuel prices via a vie the world's energy importers.

 

Fear of Trump tweeting about them, obviously... That seems to be the primary motivating factor of the GOP in 2019...

 

Do you have any actual evidence of this whatsoever? I thought not. You're just spouting garbage you've heard for several years from Trump haters. There are no indications that Donald Trump even ever met Putin prior to becoming president.