READ: House Republican witness list for impeachment hearings

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  1. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    No desperation here. Just facts.

    The only people who are desperate are you anti-Trump left-wingers who've spent nearly three years trying to unset President Trump.
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    If the Republicans an show the concern Trump had over Biden's corruption in Ukraine was legitimate, the Democrats lose....again.
     
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    Adfundum Moderator Staff Member Donor

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    If Trump had such a concern, why wasn't he investigating it two years ago? Why was he asking for the investigation while at the same time holding up the aid? It just doesn't add up.
     
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    Not a personal quid pro quo to Trump and Ukraine was never even informed any money was being held up until they agreed to something. So what even if a formal quid pro quo was written on paper, we do quid pro quo's with foreign governments on a routine basis. Notice how the Democrats have moved from quid pro quo to extortion and abuse of power now?
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps he had to wait until the Mueller investigation was complete? I believe he is going to release another transcript today, from an earlier call. So I assume he has been looking into this for a while now.
     
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    Because he had more important things on his table? Because we were about to send a huge amount of military aid to a new government with a history of corruption. Because it came to light last Spring about Hunter's involvement and Biden's threat?
     
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    The whistleblower started all of this so is very relevant.
     
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    LoL @ "The POTUS was going outside State Department protocol"
     
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    LOL at your LOL...

    It's almost show time, and I've been reading the "Republican talking points" they are planning on using tomorrow...

    “The evidence gathered does not establish an impeachable offense,” - Debatable, but that's not a factual argument

    “President (Volodymyr) Zelensky and President Trump have both said there was no pressure on the call.” - Non starter... Zelensky's statement was not in a neutral situation and nobody cares what Trump says on that subject of pressure.

    “the Ukrainian government was not aware of a hold on US security assistance at the time of the July 25 call; and President Trump met with President Zelensky and US security assistance flowed to Ukraine in September 2019 — both of which occurred without Ukraine investigating President Trump’s political rivals.” - Few in OUR government were likely fully aware of the hold being placed 1 week earlier. and releasing the hold 7 weeks later is not exactly a positive argument, if you are going to say "assistance flowed" after some personal contact.

    Frankly, the only argument I can see that has merit, at least against Taylor, Kent, Yovanovitch, Vindman (and maybe others) is that none of them heard Trump personally connect Aid for Biden investigations... THAT is a valid argument, which is why Sondland is a must-call witness towards the end. He did have conversations with Trump and he hasn't been questioned under oath since Taylor and Morrison testified to what Sondland was saying.
     
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    Yes. We knew it on a day Trump has won the Presidency.
     
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    As contrasted with your "these people don't like what the POTUS foreign policy was".

    Go forth and use that as your crutch.

    I'll be the guy with marshmallows over your smoking crater.
     
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    Extortion is not a sustainable foreign policy.... at least not in this country...
     
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    LoL @ "extortion".

    Keep trying random words maybe you'll land on something.

    I have a genius idea for a speak n spell for Democrats now.
     
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    No they don't. Bidens guilt or innocence has absolutely NOTHING to do with what Trump is charged with.

    NOTHING....
     
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    Don't let it escape to freedom...
     
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    ...said every leftist ever.
     
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    Yes it does. If Trump was actually investigating corruption, then the fact that Biden is a candidate is irrelevant. ALL politicians are candidates.
     
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    No it doesn't. No matter what the circumstance you cannot bribe a foreign leader to benefit yourself. THAT is illegal. Trump isn't investigating anything. He is asking a foreign power to investigate, with no real evidence, his main political rival. If trump thinks they did something illegal, HE can investigate them, he doesn't need Ukraine. Thats not up for debate
     
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    I'd still love to get Donald "Johnnie Cochran" Trump try to explain which country's laws he think either Biden should be investigated for breaking... That would be a Chopper Talk I would not immediately hit mute for
     
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    Trump didn't bribe a foreign government to benefit himself.
     
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    Thats been my whole point all along. Trump and company haven't said what law they broke, just that they should be investigated. And their justification is "well he got a job that paid him too much".....but lets be honest, Trump knew exactly what he was doing when he asked them to do that. From the press we currently have, it sounds like more than one person on the call was very uneasy about what he did or said, and him moving that call record to a top secret server says a lot !
     
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    So why did they hold the money ? Why did he ask for an investigation ?
     
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    Same reason it was held up in 2017, corruption in Ukraine.
     
  24. Egoboy

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    Nope... new pres, new day, new hope, same stupid Donnie..
     
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    Simple. Zelensky ran on fighting corruption in his own country. So, holding the money was obvious to make sure that Zelensky was true to his word and not just another corrupt Ukrainian politician.
     

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