I fully believe President Trump intended to force Ukraine to find dirt on Biden for military aid.

You're using wealth to measure success. We had that before trump was elected. We've become the laughing stock of the world and no amount of 'doing well' makes up for the embarrassment of having that corrupt pervert in the White House.

 

You mean other than the fact that he is neither?

 

his administration tried to bribe Ukraine into investigating Trump's political opponents, by threatening to withhold congressionally approved aid.

even the Pentagon was baffled by Trump's decision to withhold the aid.

and the buck stops with Trump.

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/429643-the-verdict-is-in-trumps-tariffs-are-working-bigly

https://nypost.com/2019/05/03/experts-predicted-economic-armageddon-under-trump-where-are-they-now/

 

Careful. I catch infractions all the time for blanket use of lefty, leftists etc.

Not that I care mind you.

 

Your right, the world laughs at Democrats and the media for their 3 year long tantrum and all the BS waste of millions on sham , "investigations". And their inabillity to accept the results of a fair election.

 

Agreed

 

I agree, but the point isn't that he was looking for dirt on a political rival. He was trying to uncover corruption. Biden is no different from any of the other democrats who want his job. Just a corrupt politician, and since it's a foreign country, he has to work with Ukraine to find out how corrupt that ****** Biden is.

The only democrat who can give him a run for his money is Gabbard, but she isn't going to get the nomination. The rest are just nothings.

 

Yep.

**** has really degraded in the time I've been here.

 

I don’t believe Trump had any interest in an investigation but rather a televised event announcing an investigation. He’s all smoke and mirrors.

 

Could you elaborate on why you feel it would be too damaging to the U.S. and the presidency?

 

Now impeachment will be a common place political tool, rather than something to be used in emergency situations, where the POTUS actually broke a law, or violated the constitution.

 

Are you implying impeachment will be a common place political tool in the case that Trump is removed from office, is impeached but not removed, or is already a forgone conclusion given the inquiry underway regardless of the outcome?

 

It will be used regardless of removal. It will be used, like it is now, to simply attempt to overturn an election, with no high crime or misdemeanor being committed.

 

First, even if it were proven, the outcome would be no different. The senate will not convict.... and most voters will not change their vote on this issue. So the absence of proof is not relevant

that said, this is not a criminal trial, or even a civil trial, if the congress felt as you do.... and ALSO felt this was impeachable... they could impeach and remove trump.

Yeah, but, imo, in this circumstance, there would be enough collateral evidence to convict a mob boss.... but of course that conviction would not happen if 50% of the jury (gop senators) happened to work for the mob boss

OTOH, a reasonably intelligent boss would have had his representative (Giuliani) handle everything... because mob bosses know they are not invulnerable (which trump does not know)

Yeah, trump is kinda stupid in many ways.,,, although also indisputably talented in many other ways

Yes, you can see exactly that in the telephone call with Zelensky. And if that is all there were... there would not even be cause for an inquiry, let alone an impeachment. I think trump counted on absolute loyalty

But again, proof is not what is required either in the senate, or in the voting booth. The senate has to be convinced it is i. Their best interest to convict. And voters need to be convinced that what trump did was WRONG...and we all know what he did in the same way that you know (and likely do not care)

Yes... quite true, For example, before the election he said unemployment was 40%.... at least that is what I thought he said.... what he actually said was some people say unemployment is maybe 40%.

Yep... but I am a bit surprised that you are aware of all that

 

I think that is highly speculative. If Trump is not removed and the Democrats suffer losses, or if Trump wins reelection and it is believed the impeachment helped his chances, I suspect it will have the opposite effect you are describing.

 

We shall see.

Republicans were eviscerated after Clinton... and Clinton committed a crime.

Didn't stop the dems from following a weak nothing partisan line now.

Pelosi said she'd not go forward without "strong bipartisan support"..

2 D's voted no...

Not one R voted yes.

Bipartisan?

 

Why do you say that?

 

Come on.

 

Tell me what the difference is, please?

 

(1) Ukraine got it's money after the whistle blowers complaint was made and within hours of it going public and months after it was authorized by congress. I don't believe in coincidences. (2) If there was corruption on the part of the Bidens it occurred under US laws and jurisdiction. Tax evasion, unregistered foreign lobbyist...where are those investigations? As the Ukrainian prosecutor who looked into the case said, "Ukrainian companies can pay their board members whatever they want". Ukraine meddled in US election? Again, where are the investigations on this in the US where the laws would have been broken?

Bottom line. Trump at no point by himself nor through his agents demanded that the Ukraine investigate anything, what he was insisting on was that they announce an investigation on CNN. He didn't give two hoots about an actual investigation he just wanted the talking point during his campaign rallies.

 

It's been 20 years since Clinton, perhaps they feel things are different now? To be fair, it is the smallest time frame between impeachments of presidents. So there is certainly evidence that impeachment is more popular now than it was before Nixon.

Given that Clinton's job approval rating never dropped below 55% during the impeachment proceedings, Democrats likely feel they have a better chance now. Just wish I had some statistics on his approval among Democrats vs Republicans at the time.

I agree, it's not bipartisan. Clinton's own impeachment had votes largely divided among party lines, with a maximum of 5 Democrats voting to impeach on any grounds, and 0 Democrats in the Senate voting to remove. Given the hyperpartisan nature of Congress, I don't expect that to change. It is a depressing reality.

 

Amen.

Hyperpartisanism is killing this country.

I can't believe there will have been 3 impeachments in my lifetime to date.

 

Sorry no evidence to support that assertion

 

Because you are very strong conservative
And my experience is that strong conservatives are aggressively supportive of Donald trump to the extent that they will in most cases deny anything negative about him