The Lie of 'Witness Tampering'

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  1. Paul7

    Paul7 Well-Known Member

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    The latest from Congressional TDS sufferers, that Trump was 'witness tampering' by his tweets about the former Ukrainian ambassador. Complete bunk, witness tampering is one of three things:

    1. Physical harm to a witness.
    2. Bribing a witness.
    3. Coercing a witness to lie.

    Pleading your case under 1A rights and criticizing witnesses making false accusations against you based on hearsay isn't witness tampering. Trump has every right to do so.

    That's all.
     
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    Is Trump her current boss with the power to hire or fire her? Yes or no?
     
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    Fake Hearings = Fake News
     
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    I don't think so, so what?
     
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    She works in the State Department. That makes Trump her boss.
     
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    Her boss decided to remove her from her prior position, as he has every right to.
     
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    will all this faux crap being spewed by dems, i'm kinda shocked none of them has declared themselves faux prez and begun singing faux EO's
     
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    Well that's a whole lot of red herrings. Funny Schiff's lies don't bother you.
     
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    What exactly are "Schiff's lies"? Funny how you've bought into a line of BS about Schiff, and yet don't pause to consider the "presuhdint's" credibility.
     
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    That he had no contact with the WB, and that he had proof of Trump Russia collusion. Why didn't he give his proof to Mueller?
     
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    Another funny point----each and every witness agrees on the essential elements supporting the impeachment of Bonespurs, and the only written documents (especially the memo, which is not a "transcript"), and yet the trumpers are still screeching about "lies", "due process" and "hearsay" (*LOL*).

    These are all very poor arguments. First, WTF "lies are you referring to, besides those spewed by Bonespurs and his squad of buffoons? There aren't any. Second, Bonespurs has received every bit of the process to which he is due. The ironic portion about this particular argument is that the whiners screaming about "due process" are the same clowns who seem to think it's OK for the "presuhdint" to hide evidence and instruct his administration officials to ignore subpoenas. Third, see point 2, and consider that the House isn't bound by rules of evidence. This isn't a trial in federal court.
     
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    He didn't. And the Mueller Report is rife with evidence of Bonespurs colluding with Russians. You should probably read the report if you're going to pretend to know what's in it.
     
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    No it didn't, it said there was no collusion, and that the Trump campaign refused collusion offers when offered. Is collusion even a crime? Apparently not when the Hillary campaign does it with the Ukrainians.
     
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    Trumpers can never make any substantial point without mentioning but Hillary & Obama.

    I understand Trumpers. It must suck knowing your boy is gonna be impeached. LOL
     
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    *LOL*

    What an embarrassing post.

    It did not say that there "was no collusion".

    And, no, the Bonespurs campaign knowingly accepted Russian assistance.

    You'd know these things if you had simply read the Mueller Report. Which you've obviously not read.
     
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    LOL, that was the whole point of the Mueller witch hunt, to find collusion. He didn't, and probably knew shortly after it started there was none. Even Trump hater Strozek said there was probably nothing there on that point.
     
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    How many people went to jail or were removed because of the witch hunt?
    How many close associates of trump?

    You should look up the phrase “which hunt” as you seem to be clueless as to what it entails.
     
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    They caught a lot of witches, to be sure.

    The Head Warlock, as incompetent and bumbling as he is, has cast an "immunity from prosecution spell", but that won't work forever.
     
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    Zero about collusion, you really think if Obama had gotten the same exam at least as many could have been gotten? The fact the ambassador did yesterday what Roger Stone is accused of, lying to Congress, and you care nothing about it shows what a pathetic bunch of hypocrites you are.
     
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    From the American Bar Association summary of the witch hunt:

    "The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”
     
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    First, It was an investigation into Russian interference.
    Second, Stone is not accused, he is convicted.

    You people have a strange relationship with facts.

    Finally, what did the ambassador lie to congress about? (Please include facts not assumptions)
     
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    LOL, so NOW Trump is in charge.
     
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    She didn’t even know about it until Schiff for brains told her. Hard to say witness tampering when she isn’t even a witness in a trial AND she knows nothing about what happened.
     
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    How about quoting from the Report itself? Even so, insufficient evidence is not a finding that Bonespurs didn't conspire, just that it couldn't be proven. Do you want to see some of the reasons why? Oh, Hell---I'll show you anyway, not that you'll read it:

    "The investigation did not always yield admissible information or testimony, or a complete picture of the activities undertaken by subjects of the investigation. Some individuals invoked their Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination and were not, in the Office’s judgment, appropriate candidates for grants of immunity. The Office limited its pursuit of other witnesses and information—such as information known to attorneys or individuals claiming to be members of the media—in light of internal Department of Justice policies. See, e.g., Justice Manual §§ 9-13.400, 13.410. Some of the information obtained via court process, moreover, was presumptively covered by legal privilege and was screened from investigators by a filter (or "taint") team. Even when individuals testified or agreed to be interviewed, they sometimes provided information that was false or incomplete, leading to some of the false-statements charges described above. And the Office faced practical limits on its ability to access relevant evidence as well—numerous witnesses and subjects lived abroad, and documents were held outside the United States.

    Further, the Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated—including some associated with the Trump Campaign—deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records. In such cases, the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts.

    Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identified gaps, the Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report."
     
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    "Lie" (to them) means "I don't like that."
     
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