Suddenly, Iran is aflame with protest

https://nypost.com/2019/11/19/suddenly-iran-is-aflame-with-protest/amp/

Looks like Iranian people are getting angry.
But with government already willing to use snipers against protesters, chances are good that the oppressive religious fanatics will suppress this protest.

 

Of course. Its the only way that they can stay in power. It's a shame really. Did you know that Iran USED to be progressive?

 

GREAT NEWS!

if the Iranian government starts murdering protesters what should America's response be?

 

No response.
Let them brew in their own juices and hope good forces prevail.

 

Mostly urban, and will be put down like the last several have been. Like the U.S., the middle classes across Europe and the ME have lost their ability to govern themselves and will be regressing into more infantilism and 2nd and 3rd World fascism and poverty; in Iran that was hastened by the Mullahs. At least the U.S. and it support for the Shah staved off Soviet satellite status for them and they has a few decades of relative prosperity before they collapsed back into 7th Century stagnation, the path all Muslim dominated countries aspire to and eventually achieve.

There are no 'good forces' in Islamic countries; those get genocided pretty quick into oblivion in such 'cultures'; they just get even more fanatical, not less, when 'change' finally arrives.

 

One does wonder what Iran would look like today if the US had allowed the Communists to take over.

(Maybe note good. Things are not so good in other former Soviet muslim republics)

 

You know no Iranians and thats your main problem.

You also dont understand the country.

1. Its minor skirmishes and will be clubbed down like all before.

2. Even if the regime falls, the next one will not be pro USA. Iran is an old culture and nation, USA has a very negative reputation there.

 

Iran never was communist and never had communist tendencies. Mossadegh was a capitalist.

USA toppled democracy there, installed a tyrant and did so for cheap oil.

 

The Soviet Union was training Iranian exiles, providing them with free university degrees in Marxism-Leninism and then sending them back.

 

I know a iranian from shiraz who told me whats going on. The only thing he would be angry about would be if his car gets a scratch.

Its the same game the west always plays. Like in Syria where they said Assad is hated and will be gone in a couple of weeks. Turned out Assad was quite popular and won. Most people have no acess to those countries and simply believe evry bullshit.

 

They did same to americans, should Kennedy have been toppled and replaced by Queen Elizabeth II?

 

As Sobo wrote, Iran was never close to communism. This was one of the reasons that both the USSR and US both supported Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war

 

You knowing an Iranian does not change the fact that there are thousands protesting now and hundreds died in the last couple of days by Iran’s own armed forces.
Or are you going to claim that there are no protests in Iran?

Also, you sound like Iranian people are incapable of being not happy with their regime and would never be dissatisfied. Why does every unrest have anything to do with the west? Why can’t people genuinely say they got enough of it and start protesting on their own?

 

I work with an Iranian woman who was 18 when her family fled in 1979. She (of course) hopes for a real democracy in Iran, but she’s pessimistic and thanks God every day her family got to the U.S.

 

I only found out about this about ten minutes ago. Seems they believe they are getting it under control, have their own people on the street and are blaming the Sauds, Israelis and US.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/...conspiracy-has-been-defeated-following-unrest

They are also claiming 100 dead.

 

And do you know why it isn't any longer?

 

Exactly.

 

That's a funny story when you realized it was the U.S. that destroyed the Democrat Iran and installed a Fascist government there.

 

More lives wasted. What a shame. Don't these people realize that protests don't work because their government is able and willing to crack down on them? I guess every generation has to try and then fail as they're murdered by the hundreds. Are the population statistics starting to lean towards an elder generation as their young people are continually being killed off in every protest wave???

 

Not so sudden, this has been brewing for a long time, as long as their theocratic dictatorship keeps spending their nation's oil wealth on funding foreign wars and acquiring WMDs it will continue.

 

Or saved it from becoming another Cuba but this one with vast oil reserves and dominating the Persian Gulf?

 

The Shah was a million times better than what the Iranians have now.

 

Maybe, yes. But maybe no.

The U.S. was behind the "Bay of Pigs" armed protest against Castro. The U.S. was (still is) behind the anti-Russian protests in the Ukraine. Orchestrated protest from abroad is one of the most common forms of black flag operations with long-term results. There are many examples of it and most (I believe) are concocted in Washington. So, I don't say that the majority of Iranians are satisfied with the present government in Tehran but I do question the protest format and I am certain of the background leading up to it.

What is happening in Iran is a carbon copy of what is going on in Cuba. The U.S. has created a situation whereby revolution was/is necessary and then the U.S. follows up with sanctions to make life for the inhabitants extremely difficult ...... and blame it on the government of that country that has had no choice.

 

The people (and families of them) that the Shah put to death for expressing their Democratic political views will disagree with you. In any case, the Democratic government of Mossadeq was a trillion times better than both combined ... but the U.S. destroyed it.

 

The increase in oil and gas prices and US sanctions is what has ignited this outcry. Remember that gas prices are very low in Iran, which is one of the major factors for the government to get sustainable public support. Iran has long subsidized the cost of gas at the pump as part of the rulers’ social contract with its citizens. But Iran's growing population and increased domestic consumption have strained that placation of the Iran people. An increase of 50% is very bad news for average Iranians and they've taken their anger onto the streets.

The Iran government controls the internet there and it has become even more difficult for people to be connected to the internet, which shows that the regime is panicking and will resort to the use of overwhelming force in the coming days now that there's less phones to transmit images across the world. The Iranian economy is under extreme sanctions by the US and Itan just isn't delivering enough to support what their large and for the most part, younger population wants.

The U.S. is practically the only country in the world that does not pay for its errors and missteps. Trump's incredibly careless actions in the Middle East has created immense chaos, but our U.S. economy doesn't suffer for it, the U.S. military has largely withdrawn from the region creating even more turmoil in the Middle East (or what is left of it) yet this hasn't given way to any official reprimand or impugn guilt of the U.S. by other nations. No embargo, no condemnation, no sanctions. Withdrawing the US from the Iran nuclear deal was a huge mistake on Trump's part. The withdrawal of US support for the Kurds was a big mistake on Trump's part. Moving thousands of US troops into Syria to take over the oil, is a huge mistake. Welcoming Erdogan into the White House like a good buddy, is a huge mistake. The problems going on right now in Iran are all the results of Trump's ignorance and narrow mindedness about the Middle East.